The Yes on Prop. 8 Blog Roll

Sei

November 10, 2008 at 10:16 pm

46,

You live in a sham of a marriage and have the right to preach to us? If you truly believed in your God, and truly honored him, then you would not marry someone you did not love.

You are searching for a reason to be miserable, an demand that the rest of us be miserable too.

If you wish to be miserable, that is your perogative. If you wish US to be miserable, that is not.

In the end, I do not hate you. I pity you. You see, I live a largely sin free and blameless life. You, however, have tainted and tarnished your soul with hatred and judgement and more sins than any of us have committed.

And that is the last thing you want to hear.

Did not Christ say it best when he came upon a woman being executed for adultery. He said ‘let he who is without sin cast the first stone at her.’ You are not without your sins, and yet you throw stones at us.

In the end, all I can feel is pity for the emptiness that must consume you every day.

p.Johanna

November 10, 2008 at 8:36 pm

46: You sound like the Jahid. You sound like those that drink the kool aid. You sound like a jadded woman. Married for the second time, having desires for women and you sit here and knock us down? pathetic. For an educated old woman, that does not go to church, but knows “right from wrong” you sound like a bitter woman, watching her life pass her by and still dwelling on the true love she lost.

p.Johanna

November 10, 2008 at 8:31 pm

I give you that much, that is what i get for typing on my cell phone and driving. You don't go to church, you have desires for the same sex in your heart and you sit here quoting Math 7:22&23 (talking about false prophets) You are the false prophet. You are so full of anger and hatred, why? Because you are unhappy that you cannot be yourself. So that you can understand me: YOU FOLLOW MEN. YOU FOLLOW IMPERFECT MEN, AND BECAUSE YOU DO THAT, YOU ARE UNHAPPY. Do you honestly think that God, any God, wants His followers to be unhappy? Time is flying by, you aren't getting younger, the older you get, the worst the regrets will be.

Anonymous

November 10, 2008 at 8:07 pm

The book of Psalms states that God’s (YOU MEAN GOD) knows what we will be even before we were conceived. You are committing a sin, even though people on the outside may not know your true desires, your God does, what good is it for you to continue in that farce?

I ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST AS MY LORD AND SAVIOUR AND NOW I AM NOW SPOTLESS.

Second, you THINK you know what the Bible says, but you are actually just falling to one men in the flesh feed you.

HUH???? I learned English in the Philippines, came here in 2001, but I can tell that I write better than you do.

No where (YOU MEAN “NOWHERE”?) in the Bible can you find a DIRECT, again a DIRECT quote from Jesus or Jah stating that homosexuality is a sin.

OF COURSE, P. JOHANNA, I HOPE YOU WILL GET THE CHANCE TO ASK JESUS AFTER YOU DIE WHY HE NEVER DIRECTLY SAID THAT HAVING SEX WITH THE SAME GENDER IS A SIN.

And, to give you more information to your uneducated self, the word HOMOSEXUAL did not even exist.

WHAT’S YOUR POINT?

So go on and live the farce that you do, that is why you are bitter and unhappy, those of us that chose to live in TRUTH are happy and BLESSED, i might add. God be with you so that you can find peace.

I DON’T HAVE A JOB, I DON’T HAVE A DEGREE, I DON’T HAVE A FABULOUS SEX LIFE BUT I AM VERY VERY HAPPY KNOWING THAT I KNOW THE GOD OF ISRAEL AND HE KNOWS ME BY NAME.

MATTHEW 7

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Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
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Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. 11 Depart from me, you evildoers.’

p.Johanna

November 10, 2008 at 7:32 pm

The book of Psalms states that God’s knows what we will be even before we were conceived. You are committing a sin, even though people on the outside may not know your true desires, your God does, what good is it for you to continue in that farce? Second, you THINK you know what the Bible says, but you are actually just falling to one men in the flesh feed you. No where in the Bible can you find a DIRECT, again a DIRECT quote from Jesus or Jah stating that homosexuality is a sin. And, to give you more information to your uneducated self, the word HOMOSEXUAL did not even exist. So go on and live the farce that you do, that is why you are bitter and unhappy, those of us that chose to live in TRUTH are happy and BLESSED, i might add. God be with you so that you can find peace.

Anonymous

November 10, 2008 at 7:25 pm

How pathetic that you claim to be so knowledgeable about the Bible and yet you think and believe that being gay and lesbian is right with the God of Israel. Obviously you worship a different god (there are millions out there).

I do not have any pastor or a regular church but I can discern right from wrong. We were all given a conscience. Funny how a lot of educated people like yourselves seemed to have lost it. What I know is the God of Israel designed how we should lived our lives on earth from the very beginning…if only we can follow it.

Like I said, I had a relationship with a lesbian 10 years ago. I had the best sex ever and I will never get any satisfaction from a man. I am married now to my second husband now. I don’t get any satisfaction at all….Sometimes, I still turn my head when I see a lesbian and I feel aroused but…..I know it is wrong and MY GOD will never allow me to be in that relationship again.

There are millions of people out there who can’t read and write or never had a chance to live in a civilized society but know what is right and wrong with God. God bless them!

…46 year old…

p.Johanna

November 10, 2008 at 1:55 pm

“To P.Johanna,

Go to hell!”

lol! is that the best that you can come up with? Congratulations, you have demonstrated the Fruit of the Spirit, that is Satan’s, because God would never send me there or even invoke it. Give me the name of your pastor or elder or priest because they sure aren’t doing their job in teaching you zilch! much love and peace your way, Anon.

Sei

November 10, 2008 at 1:04 pm

Anonymous 169,

Yes, I am giving you an assignment. Read the Bible. And, actually, no, I don’t belong to Sodom and Ghemmorah, you see, lol, even the BIBLE doesn’t coroborate your version there of. You see, the Bible actually has three different versions of the story, and they all differ. However, it is known that the entire idea of the ‘wrongness’ of homosexuality being within that story dates not to the writing of the story within the Bible, but to five hundred years after the death of Jesus Christ.

Btw, you do get credit for not just saying ‘go to hell’.

You loose a lot of credit for not knowing your own religion better than a Pagan does.

Anonymous

November 9, 2008 at 12:29 am

I am having a really hard time understanding the protests. First of all, the main purpose is to influence people by use of fear. Fear of being an outsider or one who disagrees. It is the same when people voice their opinion without being asked for it. Persuasive speech often has the motive of influencing others rather than openly debating facts to understand what is right. A crowd gathers and their strength is in numbers. What about individual strength.
The process of law was followed. The people spoke and nothing was done illegally. So if prop 8 is overruled somehow do supporters have the right to protest that their rights were violated?
I don’t think the issue is marriage, I think the issue is personal rights. Marriage has been and should remain a sacred vow between one man and one woman. However, if gay and lesbians choose to live such a lifestyle, they should not be denied “personal” rights as an American. I do not believe that they should be allowed to be married because this term carries deep felt meaning to many people both historically and presently. I think that the opponents to proposition 8 should accept the ruling of the people during the vote and pursue individual “personal” rights rather than the right to be married. In other words, do not change the meaning of marriage, but rather pursue individual rights by adding amendments to existing laws to include items such as “civil unions”.
I am curious how much of their fight is about money and tax breaks. If so shouldn’t they be fighting for tax reform rather than the right to be married? Also, if Gay and lesbian persons obtain equal rights, do my tax dollars go to support programs that I don’t believe in?
Biology does not agree with the theory that two males or two females can create a biological family. The natural law proclaims that man and woman should be joined.

Sei

November 8, 2008 at 10:07 pm

Oh yes, Kilroy, I love that lie “marriage was defined from the beginning”.

According to the nine marriage laws of the Celts, a marriage contract may be between a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man, OR any multiple there of so long as all parties were willing.

Apparently in some of the more, shall we say, edited and forgotten texts of the Bible, marriage could be between one man and more than one woman. This was, in part, the basis of the Mormon push initially to allow for Polygamy.

So, NO, it was not defined as being between ONE man and ONE woman until, oh, about fifty years ago. It was considered a defacto connotation up until then, but really was not solidly defined by any major Christian religion until then since they believed in the sinfullness and criminality of homosexuality and that marriage was for procreation. And, even THAT set of connotations did not arise until five hundred years after the writing of the final chapter of the Bible when it was heavily edited by the Catholic Church of the time.

Sei

November 8, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Ah, but Kilroy, there’s your problem.

Fine tuning marriage will not change the basic substance of it. And, given that marriage is defined as “a contract between two or more individuals to make an economic whole” by most major dictionaries, what you are attempting to do is redefine marriage in the english language.

Even dictionaries dating back fifty years do not define marriage as being between specifically one man and one woman.

So, first of all, YOU are the one that wishes to redefine marriage. The second thing is, today, “gay” means homosexual. The ancilliary definitions are now about being happy. And while a car may be a wheeled vehical, the word has changed significantly since it was first used by the Welsh to describe a charriot.

I think you need to consider your REAL opposition to same-sex marriage because, really, if you are worried about a word, then you really have misplaced priorities.

And here is a word which has changed drastically in the last two centuries. Priviledge. Two centuries ago Priviledege meant, quite literally, Private Law. Now it means a perk. Hmm…a Privileged person is a law unto themselves or. . .a guy who’s got a bit of a better perk than you. Seems that’s changed a lot.

BTW, Kilroy, you’re talking to a woman who can read Middle English without batting an eyelash. I’ve studied the history and evolution of the English and the German languages. I’m trying in a very small post to explain something upon which books are written.

Kilroy

November 8, 2008 at 8:57 pm

and paula that is your choice. I do not feel they used any dirty tricks but ran a political campaign. You have the right to do the same. Getting into my face is not going to change minds. It just creates anger. Standing for what you believe does affect change and I respect you for that.

Kilroy

November 8, 2008 at 8:49 pm

It actually does work. When you look at the base meaning of each of your words they do not change. Take ‘gay’ a word used to describe happiness or homosexuality. Happiness is happiness, homosexuality is homosexuality. Those definitions do not change. A car is a wheeled vehicle used to transport regardless of the newest model. Marriage is defined and shouldn’t be redefined. This is a definition that was set from the beginning. You may be able to call a dog a cat but it does not make him one.

Sei

November 8, 2008 at 8:09 pm

Kilroy,

The language changes all the time, so your ‘I want to protect this definition’ explanation doesn’t work. What’s worse, depending on your language, marriage may be defined very diferently.

Let us take JUST the word ‘gay’. Gay meant, oh, about a hundred and fifty years ago a state of extreme happiness. How about ‘trunk’. Well a trunk use to be a large box in which you put things for either storage or travel. Today it means, well, the back part of a car. Heck, ‘car’ use to mean a carriage, and before that, a cart, and before that a charriot.

Words change meaning all the time, Kilroy. However, what you’ve done is actually vote to change the definition of marriage. You see, sir, you have voted to add something to the definition of marriage which is not part of the actual definition of marriage.

Kilroy

November 8, 2008 at 7:54 pm

It is not about hate, it is about definition. I have many gay friends, good people. Do I judge them for being gay? No, it is their choice. My wife’s best friend is a gay man in a civil union with another. I am not them, nor would they chose to be me, but we are friends none the less. I am not from California and did not get the opportunity to vote on this proposition, but if I had the chance I would have voted for it. Not because I hate, not because my church told me to do so, but because it is changing the definition of something I feel is so important and critical to the basic fabric of society. A definition that I feel should should be protected. I want my children to know that marriage is between a man and a woman and their bond should be charished. I do not want them to think it okay to experiment with lifestyles that I believe demoralize an individual or learn in school from teachers they trust that it is ok to do so. My support for Prop 8 is an expression of how I believe as was my vote for Obama. I do not judge others for their choice to vote against prop 8 or for McCain. That was their choice. This is mine. If the prop failed I would be disappointed, but then I would continue to support legislation and canidates that I felt protected my family, interests, and values.

Sei

November 8, 2008 at 11:56 am

Ah yes, Anonymous 155, that old argument. The MAJORITY has spoken.

I might point out that the majority of the population of this planet are dead. That is right, the MAJORITY of everyone who has ever lived here are dead.

Just because the ‘majority’ have spoken does not mean that the majority is right.

Over the last eight years, up until fairly recently, the majority of this nation was quaking in fear over another terrorist attack and supported this President as he went into Iraq and failed to act agaisnt true terrorism. Just because the majority has spoken does not mean that they are right.

Anonymous

November 8, 2008 at 11:45 am

Look folks…it was put to a vote and the will of the people has been done. We are still a right of middle country and that is the way we want it! Thank God for that!

Sei

November 8, 2008 at 10:23 am

To the 46 yr old Anonymous poster.

Your homework for this month is to actually READ the Bible.

According to Jesus Christ there are but two Commandments- to love God and love each other. All other sins written in the Old Testement are wiped away, AND I should add that “Saint”/”Appostle” Paul is completely invalid since there is quite a lot of evidence that his miricles never happened, and he never leared anything at the knee of Jesus Christ.

However, since you have hate in your heart towards your fellow humans, you are violating the very word of Christ.

~Julie Phineas~

November 8, 2008 at 2:47 am

WOW tell me how you really feel people. This is a historic time, this movement is meant to open your eyes. The demonstrations I’ve been to have been peaceful, where marchers are excercising an American right to protest injustice. This is not our answer to the problem, simply a way to bring attention to our cause. Seems to be working you Yes on 8 people keep on droppin by LezGetReal! You can all see it is THEM who bring the hate and violence. We sing and march.

p.Johanna

November 7, 2008 at 11:13 pm

hey 46 year old wash out, Satan is telling me to visit you tonight. sleep with one eye open biatch, cause you never know…

Buffy

November 7, 2008 at 11:12 pm

TT,

If you can’t discern the difference between a man you dislike being president for 4-8 years and people ripping civil rights away from you I can’t help you. Of course what am I saying? We always put human and civil rights to a popular vote, just like we did with the 1st Amendment, the Civil Rights Act, child labor laws, etc. (yes, that’s sarcasm)

If you think putting human and civil rights to a popular vote is such a fabulous thing then be the first to volunteer your rights to the “will of the people”.

Anonymous

November 7, 2008 at 11:06 pm

I am 46 years old and 100% woman but Satan lured me into “falling in love” with a lesbian 10 years ago. I was in that relationship for 5 years! During those 5 years we lived together and I even left my husband and my children. Even when I was in that relationship, I knew it was SICK and DISGUSTING and I was so ashamed of myself! I knew it was wrong and “getting married” to her was NOT going to happen….EVER! THE GOD OF ISRAEL IS ALIVE and HE will show his wrath to this sick sick society soon! YES YES YES ON PROP 8! Put that in your twisted head!

Anonymous

November 7, 2008 at 10:55 pm

I had enough of this sick and twisted society! YES on Prop 8!

Tired Texan

November 7, 2008 at 10:03 pm

I didn’t particulary want Obama as my President. I suppose I should ignore the majority and protest. Does that really work? Maybe it does. I don’t know. If you don’t like a law change it legally. If it won’t be changed because the majority in this country want it that way, perhaps Canada is for you. Or you could continue to fight for some thing that may not change. That’s what makes this country what it is. Fighting for what you believe. This mindless, pointless bickering just gives me a headache!

Anonymous

November 7, 2008 at 5:48 pm

I am Latina, and I have been discriminated against as much, or maybe more, than Christogenic. My my father went to WWII and was partially disabled, two cousins of mine died in Vietnam, so? Are we having a suffering contest here?
No amount of suffering gives anyone the right to discriminate others. On the contrary, one would expect that those who have suffered discrimination would be more sensitive.
You should know, Christogenic friend, that religious leaders once said, in the name of GOD that Natives, like my people, and Africans, like your people, did not have souls.

The GOD I believe in is about love and compassion and does not serve political interests, like Christogenic suggest.
Please, Christogenic, don’t use the name of the LORD in vain, this is a HUGE sin. Don’t be selfish, let other minorities gain the rights that were once denied to your or my people.
For the record, I am not gay, I just obey the LORD and love all HIS children.

Sei

November 7, 2008 at 12:46 pm

Anonymous,

I believe that you are getting me wrong. We have many rights, including the right to assemble peacefully. You have asked that we respect the power of the vote, and yes, we should, up to an extent.

What you are asking as well is that we give up the rest of our Constitutionally guarenteed rights such as Freedom to Assemble, Freedom From Religion, and many others.

However, while I am calling upon us to protest, march, and decry this violation of our rights, I stop short of calling for anything that violates the LAW.

Thurgood Marshall refused to let a defeat stop him from getting education equality for children in this nation. Why should we let a defeat silence us. In fact, defeat should make us all that more vocal.

Anonymous

November 7, 2008 at 11:16 am

No you are wrong we must respect the voting process…. It will only be when the majority that took our rights fears the consequences of that act will get them back.

We need to play this game by their rules and those rules are anything is fair to get what you what.

Sei

November 7, 2008 at 10:36 am

A long time ago, the voice of the people was to oppress a minority by holding them in chains. People finally spoke up and said that this is wrong, and they were silenced. It led to war.

Not that long ago, the voice of the people was that a minority of the population was to be held below the majority. People finally spoke up and said that was wrong, and they marched. Laws were changed.

While I will not claim to be of the stature of the great men who once stood up and said that the treatment of African-Americans was wrong, nor to compair MY strugle with theirs, it is time that I stand up and say that this is wrong. It is time to march and time to be vocal. It is time to do what we needed to do before this vote.

Understand this, the Majority have spoken to strip a minority of their rights. And understand this, in doing so, they HAVE violated everything this country stands for.

In the light of the dawn of a new era in this nation, the paths before us are clear. Do we, as a nation, simply stand quietly by and let our nation’s core values of protecting the voice and rights of the minority are suppressed or do we build upon what the giants of the past built and make this a nation that includes all voices both major and minor.

For, if we do not include all voices, then we are doomed.

Anonymous

November 7, 2008 at 10:23 am

As NO ON 8 people, we must respect the voting process. The people have spoken and that has to be respected. Everyone has the right to speak their minds and say what they believe but when it comes to vandalizing people’s property and causing traffic jams and keeping NO ON 8 from getting to work, we’re being counter productive aren’t we. Let the expensive lawyers we hired fight it out in court and if nothing happens there, choose another route but DO NOT do it in a way that just makes the community look more and more like IDIOTS. What is the point of damaging signs, spray painting walls, placing threatening letters on descent people’s doors for their children to read just because we’re afraid we may lose. How can we expect the rest of society to accept us when we display such ridiculous and petty behavior. There are proper and CIVIL ways to voice your opinion and then there are the ways we’re currently doing it. Respect people’s religious beliefs and don’t persecute them for what they believe in whether it be mormon, catholic, baptist or other faiths. Yes NO ON 8 lost but we’re really looking like real sore losers. The night of the election people are partying in Hollywood celebrating a victory and the next day their hung over and pissed that they spent all that money and came out on the losing end. How far have we come as a country when we turn to threatening people who attend church just because they donated their hard earned money for something they believed in? We elect a black president for the first time in our nation’s history and then embarrass ourselves for the whole world to see. I thought we were a lot more organized, professional and RESPECTFUL to others. At least that is what I thought. This is truly a sad day in our history in more ways than one. THINK ABOUT IT but I know we won’t because we would prefer to act like spoiled children who didn’t get what they wanted for Christmas. THE CAMPAIGN WAS FOUGHT ON BOTH SIDES AND THERE HAS TO BE A WINNER AND A LOSER. WE LOST. GET OVER IT, GROW UP AND MOVE ON.

Anonymous

November 7, 2008 at 6:40 am

Before Tuesday I did not hate you and I did not want to hurt you…. but today if you came to my house with any more of this religious bigotry, I would shoot you in the face.

This all of you religious fuckers accomplished with all of this… I hate you now and will do anything I can to hurt you… thanks so very much.

Anonymous

November 7, 2008 at 4:26 am

Anon You idiot we don’t want any more of your lectures, we dot care about your fucking view of biology or your god damned Bible we want our fucking rights back.

When you took them you created a lot of anger and hate that was not there… you can’t steal something from someone and expect they will not do everything thay can to get it back.

You thought we were a bunch of little faggies who would do nothing when you did it… but this time these little faggies are going to come burn your house down if we have to get them back… are you watching your TV… you see us in the streets? and the longer your thieves keep our rights the angrier we will get.

Anonymous

November 7, 2008 at 12:33 am

if marriage or family is all about how our bodies are built or how our organs will where is love?? love is not in the penis or vagina. that all you straight people can think about?

p.Johanna

November 7, 2008 at 12:00 am

You took away my rights and now u think ur gonna tell me what signs to carry or to get off the streets? I don’t think so! We r carrying the signs and we r in the streets so you can be ashamed of whose rights you took away from! Watch us, take a look at us. We are people and we aren’t as minor as you thought we were.

Anonymous

November 6, 2008 at 11:39 pm

When did anyone say anything about straight people “hating” gay and lesbians? I don’t agree with it, but I don’t hate you people. You get to do anything you want…but now are crying because you can’t be on a marriage document. Do straight people go around saying that they “hate” gay people? Is there something that I am missing here? So stop the hate signs, and equality signs….once again, a marriage between a man and a woman is NOT equal to a gay/lesbian marriage. It’s NOT the same, so how could gay/lesbian expect to say it is? You get to stand out for who you are, and we straight people are forced to accept it on a daily basis. Leave the marriage documents alone. It’s for a man and a woman.

Anonymous

November 6, 2008 at 11:29 pm

By the way….There are a lot of people who believe in the sacred joining of a man and a women in married ONLY who don’t necessarily believe in God. I do, but that is me. It is in the bible, but people who don’t know God also believe that our physiological beings are meant for a man and a women to be together. Your “rights” are to understand that….so get out of the streets and get over the fact that its not meant to be that way, Biblical or not Biblical. Its just not how we were made as human beings.

Anonymous

November 6, 2008 at 11:20 pm

If our existence was meant for a man and a man to be married, or a woman and a woman to be married, then our bodies would have been created with both a vagina and a penis…We are not created that way, nor are two men, nor two women meant to be married for goodness sakes… Don’t mess with that…the reality that those who are gay or lesbian should mess with traditional marriages that are sacred between a man and a woman…and to bring CHILDREN into this?…unbelievable!!! Keep your “rights” to yourselves. Get over the fact that prop 8 passed and get over it!!! It’s not “RIGHT”…talking about rights here. Create a gay/lesbian marriage document that you can call your own separate from our traditional marriage documents. Traditional marriage should not in any way be any part of two people marrying of the same sex. Party “A” and Party “B”….so so sad. You all weren’t created by two men or two women being together for goodness sakes!!!! GET REAL and GET OVER IT

Anonymous

November 6, 2008 at 9:21 pm

I know that you will come back and read this. Please please, don’t make other christians look bad.
[My God IS your God whether you believe in Him or not.] — i don’t think there’s any chapter or part of the bible says that such awful thing.

Christocentric

November 6, 2008 at 8:58 pm

Sorry, for those who cared, that was John 3:16-18.

Ciao!

Christocentric

November 6, 2008 at 8:56 pm

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

My God IS your God whether you believe in Him or not. Jesus didn’t die and resurrect for Christians only, He died for everyone. And anyone who believes in Him, will not be condemned.

With that, I’ll kindly exit from your blog here. Any comments please send them to my place. I won’t be here any longer.

Anonymous

November 6, 2008 at 7:07 pm

Christocentric,
Noone hate your god. You just jumped to conclusion yourself. that’s way too much. I’m not a christian. but, i learned from my religion that every religion has its own belief and should be respectful. Jesus Christ is not MY lord. I respect him as a god for somebody else. my point is – any god and religion shouldn’t be attached to this issue cuz there are millions of gays who don’t belief in the same way you do. and, you cannot accuse them like that. i’m not hating you now. please don’t make me. i respect christian belief. but, what are you doing now just stop me to respect ‘people’ in your religion – not your god or religion itself.

Christocentric

November 6, 2008 at 6:54 pm

Nobody is stopping you all from LIVING and eating, dining. Nobody is making you move to the back of the bus, nobody is putting a pack of dogs on you as you protest “peacefully” for your rights.

There is no comparison to what you are going through now to what blacks had gone through during the civil rights era.

You are angry for the REASONS we voted rather than the actual vote itself.

You all hate religion so much you want to find a reason to hate us. That’s why you aren’t talking about burning down blacks homes even though our votes are quite responsible as well.

No, you hate GOD. You hate our Lord Jesus Christ. You hate the bible because of its commandments against homosexuality.

Even those of you who call yourselves “Christian.” You are also Jesus haters because Jesus says only those who obey Him, love Him. (John 14:15, 21).

Stop pretending. We know who the real haters are.

By the way, I’ll be posting the comment on my blog, the one that was deleted here. Don’t worry, the name of that poster won’t be revealed. But if I need to show it to any authorities, I do have a copy of it – with the name and time it was posted.

That was a veiled threat – probably the reason it was removed.

Anonymous

November 6, 2008 at 6:30 pm

Why do you try to tie this gay marriage thing to religion?? I understand that your god may somehow tell you that gay marriage is wrong. But, I surely don’t have the same god as yours. And, I’m sure that million of gays out there don’t have the same god as yours either.

If your god tells you to love – why are you so hateful??
If your god created this world – why didn’t he rule that there would be absolutely no gay in his world?

The belief in god should comfort your mind. The belief in god shouldn’t be used as a reason to hate the others who are not the same as you.

Christocentric

November 6, 2008 at 6:28 pm

Gays want to burn down our churches, and WE are the fanatics?

Who’s house did we burn down when the judges declared gay marriages legal?

We vote, a law is made and nobody got hurt. You still have CIVIL RIGHTS – more so than states such as Florida and Arizona who don’t even recognize civil unions.

And now you are talking about war?

No. This is an example of a loss of rights.

My father in 1963 completed officer’s training school and was the only black man in his Marine Corp class in Quantico, Virginia. My mother caught a Greyhound bus from my grandmother’s home in Texas to travel and see my dad’s graduation. She changes buses in Louisiana, and there, the white bus driver made my mother go to the back of the bus.

She gets to Virginia, and off to the restaurant my mom and dad, and the rest of the graduates go. They get there and ALL of the graduates except my dad were allowed to enter.

Marine Corp officer and his wife weren’t allowed in the “white’s only” restaurant.

And you DARE compare your rights to that?

That’s why 70% of us blacks voted against gay marriages.

Do you intend to go to war against blacks in California? Are our houses going to be burned down?

I really want to know.

Christocentric

November 6, 2008 at 5:46 pm

I agree with you more than you think Sei. In fact, I don’t see any disagreement with you when it comes to the Constitution.

The question becomes, how am I forcing my RELIGION on you or others? Proposition 8 was not a religion. People supported it – religious or not, although most who supported it are religious.

Using the democratic process of voting, we voted against gay marriages.

A proposition is not a religion. You are forced (for now) to abide by the law – not a religion. That is not too difficult to understand.

And I’m not a pastor-follower. I do follow the scriptures first, which is why I don’t agree with my pastor on 100% of things.

You shouldn’t really assume things about people without knowing anything about them.

Sei

November 6, 2008 at 4:41 pm

LOL,

Christocentric, you had your answer right there in front of you and do not understand it.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” Read just that part. What is means is that we have Freedom FROM Religion. That is, YOU cannot with the FORCE OF LAW determine how I believe, nor restrict through FORCE OF LAW any aspect of my religion.

“Congress shall make no law… prohibiting the free [religious] exercise…”

That means that the Congress shall not restrict what religions you can belong to. You have every right to believe what you want and live your religion as much as you want.

You see, what you are doing is through FORCE OF LAW, attempting to force your religious beliefs upon me. Which means that you are in violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

I don’t care if you want to come to my door and preach to me in my home, should I allow you in. I’ve done this with a fair number of Mormons and other religious missionaries over the years. However, you are attempting to force your religious views upon me through FORCE OF LAW.

And, guess what, I have read the Constitution from front to back many a time. I’ve also studied it and its related documentation.

You know, you can preach, you can live your life as deeply or shallowly in your religion as you want, I DON’T CARE. What I object to is the attempt to destroy this country by making it a Theocracy based upon ONE FACTION within the Christian faith.

However, since I’m the “enemy” you won’t listen to me. You will, however, listen to your Pastor who is trying to get you to follow them without thought or even comprehension of your Bible in total violation of everything Jesus Christ believed.

Christocentric

November 6, 2008 at 4:19 pm

Sei, maybe you can explain how one can have freedom OF and freedom FROM religion at the same time.

Impossible.

For example, I am quite free to express my religious beliefs and that is what the Constitution provides. No where does it say that I have to express it only behind church walls on Sunday morning.

Which is what most of you would love more than anything for the Christian to do.

Again, the Constitution provides keeping the government’s nose out of establishing religion while at the same time providing religious freedom.

Read again: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

Free exercise thereof …

Anonymous

November 6, 2008 at 3:55 pm

I am outraged that people support propostion 8 in the name of GOD. “Give back to Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and to GOD what is GOD’s” said JESUS, and if we are to live by HIS words, we should not be depriving homosexuals from their constitutional rights, or we will become like Iran.
Proposition 8 violates our constitution, which is unpatriotic and dangerous. We may loose all our rights. Next, it will be women, disabled, minorities, and we will become like Iran or Nazi Germany.
If we wanted to protect our children, proposition 8 should have passed, because 10% of our children will be homosexuals, no matter what they do, and we want them to be happy, and to be treated equally
I am in pain. GOD loves all the creatures of HIS creation. GOD is about compassion, and only GOD has the power to judge.
Religions have usurped GOD’s powers for their political interests, never minding the words of JESUS “Make not My Father’s house a house of merchandise.”
If your religious leader tells you how to vote, he/she has a hidden agenda, and is making the house of GOD a house of merchandise. May GOD not forgive them.

Sei

November 6, 2008 at 3:11 pm

The phrase “Seperation of Church and State” comes from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a church in Virginia. He was attempting to asuage their fear that the Federal Government was going to come in and start dictating their religious beliefs. It has, however, been used several times in many, many Supreme Court cases relying upon that letter in order to interpret the mindset of the Founding Fathers.

However, THIS IS in the Constitution- “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof?” In other words, there shall be a wall seperating Church and State. We are guarenteed BY THE CONSTITUTION both Freedom FROM and Freedom OF Religion.

In other words, no law can be made that stems solely from a religious institution and must fall into what are called Civil Rights according to John Locke and Thomas Jefferson. These include Life, Liberty, Property, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Christocentric

November 6, 2008 at 2:59 pm

Separation of Church and State is no where in the Constitution. Just in case many of you believe it is and that’s why you like telling that to ‘church folk,’ check it out here:

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=123

Jenime

November 6, 2008 at 8:06 am

Whoa, the freak comment isn’t necessary. You seem angry even after the vote. Is it ringing hollow for you or something?

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