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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article I read did not mention pyschiatric care, but I have to disagree with the idea that  what a woman says about her emotions and decisions should not carry much stock with anyone if she&#039;s receiving care from a pyschiatrist.  Part of being a feminist is acknowledging the voices of all women, whether or not they say what we want them to.   Her feelings three months after the incident are part of the story. 

As for the woman who was attacked, I don&#039;t know her and don&#039;t know what her neighbors said, beyond that her mother homeschooled and &quot;got into people&#039;s business,&quot; whatever that means.  Women who express strong opinions and don&#039;t comply with all societal norms are not always liked by everyone.  I doubt that her neighbors were qualified to decide that mother or daughter needs pyschiatric care.   I wouldn&#039;t do what they do but I understand why they do it .  Many pro-life women help women in crisis so they don&#039;t feel pressured to choose abortion, btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article I read did not mention pyschiatric care, but I have to disagree with the idea that  what a woman says about her emotions and decisions should not carry much stock with anyone if she&#8217;s receiving care from a pyschiatrist.  Part of being a feminist is acknowledging the voices of all women, whether or not they say what we want them to.   Her feelings three months after the incident are part of the story. </p>
<p>As for the woman who was attacked, I don&#8217;t know her and don&#8217;t know what her neighbors said, beyond that her mother homeschooled and &#8220;got into people&#8217;s business,&#8221; whatever that means.  Women who express strong opinions and don&#8217;t comply with all societal norms are not always liked by everyone.  I doubt that her neighbors were qualified to decide that mother or daughter needs pyschiatric care.   I wouldn&#8217;t do what they do but I understand why they do it .  Many pro-life women help women in crisis so they don&#8217;t feel pressured to choose abortion, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to the update I posted on here yesterday?  It seems to have disappeared???  For those who want all the information -- according to the Duluth newspaper (available online), Hall recently thanked the woman she attacked for being there because she changed her mind about having an abortion and feels she would have regretted it for the rest of her life if she had gone through with it.   The woman was there to save lives and she did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the update I posted on here yesterday?  It seems to have disappeared???  For those who want all the information &#8212; according to the Duluth newspaper (available online), Hall recently thanked the woman she attacked for being there because she changed her mind about having an abortion and feels she would have regretted it for the rest of her life if she had gone through with it.   The woman was there to save lives and she did.</p>
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		<title>By: Sei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Paula.  Even if they were correct about her being arrested inside the clinic itself, they have nothing to suggest what the visit was about since the clinic offers a variety of women&#039;s health services.  They have jumped to that conclusion that she was there for an abortion.  Of course, they do not seem to differentiate the reality of the building housing many different businesses from the fact that it houses one women&#039;s health clinic.  Then again, they do not tend to care about details like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Paula.  Even if they were correct about her being arrested inside the clinic itself, they have nothing to suggest what the visit was about since the clinic offers a variety of women&#8217;s health services.  They have jumped to that conclusion that she was there for an abortion.  Of course, they do not seem to differentiate the reality of the building housing many different businesses from the fact that it houses one women&#8217;s health clinic.  Then again, they do not tend to care about details like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Kellmeyer,

Thank you for passing along the information that she was arrested inside the Women&#039;s Clinic.  I will point out that there is nothing in that particular article that indicates that Ms Hall was either pregnant or had gone in for an abortion.  The Women&#039;s Clinic inside that building does have a fair number of different services that it offers.

I will point out that while I do sound indifferent to the fact that the young lady was threatened with violence, that your side of this has often used violence and intimidation in order to push people out of a legally obtained procedure without many of you so much as signaling your displeasure regarding that.  In point of fact, people in the anti-abortion rights group are still, to this day, defending Roeder as a hero despite the fact that he murdered a man and glorying in the death of a man who was, from his family&#039;s account, a deranged woman abuser.

I would like to point out that you and the article you linked both make the same assumption that Ms Hall was in there for an abortion.  The clinic offers cancer screenings as well.  Even if she was there for an abortion, the fact that the younger Winandy decided to confront an obviously angry and defensive woman seems rather stupid to my way of thinking.  Had Ms Winandy actually shut her mouth and turned away, none of this would have happened.

Mr. Kellmeyer, despite your thin attempt to paint &quot;pro-lifers&quot; as the victims of more murders by &quot;pro-abortionists&quot;, I would like to make it incredibly clear that there are usually far more reasons involved than the refusal to abort a feotus.  Usually you are talking about an abusive relationship where the man has abused the woman for a long time.  Typically, the man is not killing her because she refuses to have an abortion, but because he got angry because she burned dinner.  I am sorry, but that is a lame attempt to inflate your numbers and the numbers of those who are violently opposed to you.

I am also surprised that you say that the homosexual &quot;lifestyle&quot; is pretty violent.  Would you care to elaborate?  I have never been the victim of a violent crime, nor have I ever hurt someone in anger.  Most of the gays and lesbians I know are pretty peaceful people, though we are just as susceptible to the same passions as anyone else.  Do you believe that gays and lesbians are busy raping and beating their partners?  If you do, then I believe that you are sorely misinformed.  

As for my tone of indifference, I am a coldly logical woman most of the time.  I am attempting to repair the damage that you and yours are doing to this story by trying to portray the actions of Ms Winandy as heroic since she decided to speak to a woman who had already brandished a knife, informed her not to speak or come close to her.  Ms Hall, from the descriptions that I read, may indeed be mentally unstable.  If I had been in Ms Winandy&#039;s shoes, I would not have spoken up no matter what.  But, then again, with many fundamentalist religions martyrdom is more important than an adult life, is it not?  After all, there are many Christian faiths who feel that giving ones life for the &quot;cause&quot; is more important than saving the life of one&#039;s self or another.  Ms Winandy showed the common sense of a stunned lemming.  She chose to put her life at risk, and had she died, she would have known that her death would transform her into a martyr.

I will not crack a joke here about what is she going to do with the virgins when she gets to Heaven.  I will tell you this, if these two women would put in as much energy into helping and saving the living, then we would have little use for these clinics.  Saving and helping women to not need an abortion is more important, in my mind, than trying to put a band aid on the disembowled patient known as society.  Make life better for women and for adults in general, and there will be no need for these clinics.

Solve the problem, don&#039;t treat the symptom.

While I have no doubt that you and your own would like to debate me further, I will be on the road the next couple of days and will not be available to debate you at all.  It will be up to the graces of our other writers to debate you if they so wish.  When I return to my home, I will be deleting my spam folder where all of these replies go, and that will be the end of this whole thing as I do not intend to get into any further protracted debates with you on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Kellmeyer,</p>
<p>Thank you for passing along the information that she was arrested inside the Women&#8217;s Clinic.  I will point out that there is nothing in that particular article that indicates that Ms Hall was either pregnant or had gone in for an abortion.  The Women&#8217;s Clinic inside that building does have a fair number of different services that it offers.</p>
<p>I will point out that while I do sound indifferent to the fact that the young lady was threatened with violence, that your side of this has often used violence and intimidation in order to push people out of a legally obtained procedure without many of you so much as signaling your displeasure regarding that.  In point of fact, people in the anti-abortion rights group are still, to this day, defending Roeder as a hero despite the fact that he murdered a man and glorying in the death of a man who was, from his family&#8217;s account, a deranged woman abuser.</p>
<p>I would like to point out that you and the article you linked both make the same assumption that Ms Hall was in there for an abortion.  The clinic offers cancer screenings as well.  Even if she was there for an abortion, the fact that the younger Winandy decided to confront an obviously angry and defensive woman seems rather stupid to my way of thinking.  Had Ms Winandy actually shut her mouth and turned away, none of this would have happened.</p>
<p>Mr. Kellmeyer, despite your thin attempt to paint &#8220;pro-lifers&#8221; as the victims of more murders by &#8220;pro-abortionists&#8221;, I would like to make it incredibly clear that there are usually far more reasons involved than the refusal to abort a feotus.  Usually you are talking about an abusive relationship where the man has abused the woman for a long time.  Typically, the man is not killing her because she refuses to have an abortion, but because he got angry because she burned dinner.  I am sorry, but that is a lame attempt to inflate your numbers and the numbers of those who are violently opposed to you.</p>
<p>I am also surprised that you say that the homosexual &#8220;lifestyle&#8221; is pretty violent.  Would you care to elaborate?  I have never been the victim of a violent crime, nor have I ever hurt someone in anger.  Most of the gays and lesbians I know are pretty peaceful people, though we are just as susceptible to the same passions as anyone else.  Do you believe that gays and lesbians are busy raping and beating their partners?  If you do, then I believe that you are sorely misinformed.  </p>
<p>As for my tone of indifference, I am a coldly logical woman most of the time.  I am attempting to repair the damage that you and yours are doing to this story by trying to portray the actions of Ms Winandy as heroic since she decided to speak to a woman who had already brandished a knife, informed her not to speak or come close to her.  Ms Hall, from the descriptions that I read, may indeed be mentally unstable.  If I had been in Ms Winandy&#8217;s shoes, I would not have spoken up no matter what.  But, then again, with many fundamentalist religions martyrdom is more important than an adult life, is it not?  After all, there are many Christian faiths who feel that giving ones life for the &#8220;cause&#8221; is more important than saving the life of one&#8217;s self or another.  Ms Winandy showed the common sense of a stunned lemming.  She chose to put her life at risk, and had she died, she would have known that her death would transform her into a martyr.</p>
<p>I will not crack a joke here about what is she going to do with the virgins when she gets to Heaven.  I will tell you this, if these two women would put in as much energy into helping and saving the living, then we would have little use for these clinics.  Saving and helping women to not need an abortion is more important, in my mind, than trying to put a band aid on the disembowled patient known as society.  Make life better for women and for adults in general, and there will be no need for these clinics.</p>
<p>Solve the problem, don&#8217;t treat the symptom.</p>
<p>While I have no doubt that you and your own would like to debate me further, I will be on the road the next couple of days and will not be available to debate you at all.  It will be up to the graces of our other writers to debate you if they so wish.  When I return to my home, I will be deleting my spam folder where all of these replies go, and that will be the end of this whole thing as I do not intend to get into any further protracted debates with you on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Kellmeyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Kellmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm... actually she WAS going in for an abortion.
The police arrested her inside the abortion clinic.
http://www.lifenews.com/state4602.html

BTW, why is it that people who support abortion are so much more violence than people who oppose it?  After all, every woman who has been killed by a boyfriend/husband for refusing to abort is an example of a pro-lifer killed by a pro-abort. Murder is the leading cause of death for pregnant women. 

I understand that the homosexual lifestyle is pretty violent, but I&#039;m surprised that you are so indifferent to having a knife held to a woman&#039;s throat for ANY reason.  

So, how&#039;s that &quot;pro-woman, pro-choice&quot; canard working out for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm&#8230; actually she WAS going in for an abortion.<br />
The police arrested her inside the abortion clinic.<br />
<a href="http://www.lifenews.com/state4602.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifenews.com/state4602.html</a></p>
<p>BTW, why is it that people who support abortion are so much more violence than people who oppose it?  After all, every woman who has been killed by a boyfriend/husband for refusing to abort is an example of a pro-lifer killed by a pro-abort. Murder is the leading cause of death for pregnant women. </p>
<p>I understand that the homosexual lifestyle is pretty violent, but I&#8217;m surprised that you are so indifferent to having a knife held to a woman&#8217;s throat for ANY reason.  </p>
<p>So, how&#8217;s that &#8220;pro-woman, pro-choice&#8221; canard working out for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Sideways</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Sideways</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that these people have to be insensitive pricks to harass anyone going into a particular office building. I know they can be thrown out if they were inside the building protesting but instead of just going away since you would be harassing others not even there for an abortion, they decide to harass everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that these people have to be insensitive pricks to harass anyone going into a particular office building. I know they can be thrown out if they were inside the building protesting but instead of just going away since you would be harassing others not even there for an abortion, they decide to harass everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: lezgetreal</title>
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		<dc:creator>lezgetreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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