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		<title>By: Sei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;m on government run health care right up here in Vermont.  We&#039;re planning on going to single payer soon because it will be better than what the companies offer and it would be cheeper for the state over all to do so.

Insurance salesmen already have that kind of set up you described.  They have great policies that people cannot afford, but they love to offer us really crappy policies anyway and then jack up the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;m on government run health care right up here in Vermont.  We&#8217;re planning on going to single payer soon because it will be better than what the companies offer and it would be cheeper for the state over all to do so.</p>
<p>Insurance salesmen already have that kind of set up you described.  They have great policies that people cannot afford, but they love to offer us really crappy policies anyway and then jack up the price.</p>
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		<title>By: Jabba Furloa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jabba Furloa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so fast......While all the left /right clammoring has been  going on has anyone stopped to notice the whole idea of government involvement is so poor and the benefits so very poor that the congress decided to opt out and keep their cadillac insurance.  Yeppers,  a crappy plan for you Joe Six Pack and a cadillac plan for the boyz in Washington.  Uh, in case you don&#039;t follow me this health care plan doesn&#039;t apply to congress.  Why?  Because it is second rate and they know it.  Suppose a ins. salesman came to your home and presented a plan and you asked: Mr Ins. man, do you have this plan? And, he said , well no...It really isn&#039;t good enough for my family.  I have a better plan that you are not eligible for.  What would you say to the ins. salesman? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so fast&#8230;&#8230;While all the left /right clammoring has been  going on has anyone stopped to notice the whole idea of government involvement is so poor and the benefits so very poor that the congress decided to opt out and keep their cadillac insurance.  Yeppers,  a crappy plan for you Joe Six Pack and a cadillac plan for the boyz in Washington.  Uh, in case you don&#8217;t follow me this health care plan doesn&#8217;t apply to congress.  Why?  Because it is second rate and they know it.  Suppose a ins. salesman came to your home and presented a plan and you asked: Mr Ins. man, do you have this plan? And, he said , well no&#8230;It really isn&#8217;t good enough for my family.  I have a better plan that you are not eligible for.  What would you say to the ins. salesman? </p>
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		<title>By: Sei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

You will forgive me for consolidating your comments as you gave four of them in rapid succession.  I have placed them all in one comment.

You will find that I am far more centrist than you would perceive in this.  The problem is that the true center is now so far left that it appears Liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>You will forgive me for consolidating your comments as you gave four of them in rapid succession.  I have placed them all in one comment.</p>
<p>You will find that I am far more centrist than you would perceive in this.  The problem is that the true center is now so far left that it appears Liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The country is centrist. The majority of the dems are left center, the majority of the repubs are right centrist. When will you guys see that!? Far left agendas are not wanted. High cost government, paid for far left &quot;dream&quot; list will never receive the welcome that you foolishly imagine.

I have to say, Hilary would have been a much better choice. However, she still would not be able to pass legislation such as this, at least not easily. Listen everyone, this is 1/6th the economy during a jobless recovery. Haven&#039;t any of you taken basic economics, accounting ect? Have you not read the threat to the dollar abroad. Our very independence depends on the strength of our economy.

The health of our country&#039;s balance sheet is far more important than healthcare. Without a strong tax base we stand to lose everything. Obama should have made &quot;jobs&quot; the key effort this past year. He would have become a hero and the majority that voted for him in the first place would then have gotten behind the healthcare reform with enthusiasm.

B, you and Obermann do not seem concerned with that very important issue. If we have the program you want but are bankrupt, then you still have nothing.

Agreed, get all lobbyist out of Washington....including planned parenthood, just to put the issues on a fair playing field. Problem with that is all you guys on the far left think that you are the majority. Wake up! You are not even close to the majority. Most liberals are centrist.

At least you are fair in your commentary. I didn&#039;t hear all the crying on your side when some of the repubs went against their party and crossed to your side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The country is centrist. The majority of the dems are left center, the majority of the repubs are right centrist. When will you guys see that!? Far left agendas are not wanted. High cost government, paid for far left &#8220;dream&#8221; list will never receive the welcome that you foolishly imagine.</p>
<p>I have to say, Hilary would have been a much better choice. However, she still would not be able to pass legislation such as this, at least not easily. Listen everyone, this is 1/6th the economy during a jobless recovery. Haven&#8217;t any of you taken basic economics, accounting ect? Have you not read the threat to the dollar abroad. Our very independence depends on the strength of our economy.</p>
<p>The health of our country&#8217;s balance sheet is far more important than healthcare. Without a strong tax base we stand to lose everything. Obama should have made &#8220;jobs&#8221; the key effort this past year. He would have become a hero and the majority that voted for him in the first place would then have gotten behind the healthcare reform with enthusiasm.</p>
<p>B, you and Obermann do not seem concerned with that very important issue. If we have the program you want but are bankrupt, then you still have nothing.</p>
<p>Agreed, get all lobbyist out of Washington&#8230;.including planned parenthood, just to put the issues on a fair playing field. Problem with that is all you guys on the far left think that you are the majority. Wake up! You are not even close to the majority. Most liberals are centrist.</p>
<p>At least you are fair in your commentary. I didn&#8217;t hear all the crying on your side when some of the repubs went against their party and crossed to your side.</p>
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		<title>By: Len Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree Bridgette! Same Hillary to Obama voter here, same disappointment too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree Bridgette! Same Hillary to Obama voter here, same disappointment too.</p>
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		<title>By: Clouds On The Horizon- Why The Health Care Debate Matters To Me (Editorial) - Lez Get Real</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clouds On The Horizon- Why The Health Care Debate Matters To Me (Editorial) - Lez Get Real</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] little ballistic over the Health Care Reform and joined the ranks of those who have called for the end of this bill. I did not explain the totality of why. The why of healthcare reform is something that no one seems [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] little ballistic over the Health Care Reform and joined the ranks of those who have called for the end of this bill. I did not explain the totality of why. The why of healthcare reform is something that no one seems [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree. What started out as a good idea and noble goal, has turned into a give away to the very insurance and drug industry that helped get us to the point of considering this overhaul of heath care. Perhaps more telling in this is just how poor our government has become at serving the needs of the people they are supposed to be governing.  We elected a president and provided him with a congress to change, yet the changes have been few and the progress little.  It is really time to get the influence of the big money players out of government.  Until we do, we will have nothing worthwhile come out of Washington....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree. What started out as a good idea and noble goal, has turned into a give away to the very insurance and drug industry that helped get us to the point of considering this overhaul of heath care. Perhaps more telling in this is just how poor our government has become at serving the needs of the people they are supposed to be governing.  We elected a president and provided him with a congress to change, yet the changes have been few and the progress little.  It is really time to get the influence of the big money players out of government.  Until we do, we will have nothing worthwhile come out of Washington&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: John Pol</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Pol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;As Senator Nelson Throws His Fit, It Is Time To Kill The Health Care Bill And ... http://bit.ly/8f5qtS&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Sei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Melanie.  It takes a lot for me to get angry, but when I do, it can be rather explosive.  In 2004, I voted for Governor Dean for President even though it was symbolic.  I think he&#039;s a lot more up to speed than the Obama crew give him credit for.

Take care,
Bridg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Melanie.  It takes a lot for me to get angry, but when I do, it can be rather explosive.  In 2004, I voted for Governor Dean for President even though it was symbolic.  I think he&#8217;s a lot more up to speed than the Obama crew give him credit for.</p>
<p>Take care,<br />
Bridg</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 02:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Done B, I was going to write a similar post and you have done it so well.  I support killing the BILL too.   It definately does not help anyone to KILL it,from any chance of fixing it in the future.    but settling for anything less than it ought to be derogates from fixing it in the future.   I fear though that next time around it will have less off the bat support.   I do not know how Obama can get them all to reign in.   The frustrating  thing is that the likes of schmendriks like Lieberman has been afforded so much power.. I do not believe in settling for a piece of crap - it will only hamper future reform. In fact if they kill the bill, then I think it will show courage on the part of Obama and strating again will show tenacity - I dont see it as political failure. In fact I would use theis against all the republicans up for reelection saying campaigning that THEY in fact killed the BILL.  what do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Done B, I was going to write a similar post and you have done it so well.  I support killing the BILL too.   It definately does not help anyone to KILL it,from any chance of fixing it in the future.    but settling for anything less than it ought to be derogates from fixing it in the future.   I fear though that next time around it will have less off the bat support.   I do not know how Obama can get them all to reign in.   The frustrating  thing is that the likes of schmendriks like Lieberman has been afforded so much power.. I do not believe in settling for a piece of crap &#8211; it will only hamper future reform. In fact if they kill the bill, then I think it will show courage on the part of Obama and strating again will show tenacity &#8211; I dont see it as political failure. In fact I would use theis against all the republicans up for reelection saying campaigning that THEY in fact killed the BILL.  what do you think?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Master Trainer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Master Trainer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lezgetreal</title>
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