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   Melanie Nathan Reply

   December 24, 2009 at 8:26 pm

   One wonders what drove the woman to what they have termed insanity….. I guess my guess could be accurate
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     Joshua

     December 30, 2009 at 4:47 pm

     To: Paula.. It sure takes a lot of bravery to stand up to Nazi Germany( on other side of the world?) and 65 years after it has been defeated. I mean you are truly a saint, putting your life on the line for all these jews when you know the punishment is death.. good for you.

     As for the facts, we already know that Pius only made a few direct references to the Nazi genocide publicly but that hardly matters. He did what he ( and many jews he spoke to) thought was the right thing to do. Nazi Germany was hardly a Catholic stronghold, most Germans are secular or Protestant and Nazi racial ideology on religion contrasted sharply with that of the Church, which is a multicultural international organization.

     Pius saved a lot of Jews despite the fact that he had no army and lived in Mussolini’s Italy not in safety in America. He was praised by the Jews of his time. How can you call him complicit in the holocaust when the president of Israel, Golda Meier called him a hero? The chief Rabbi of Rome became a Catholic AFTER the war.. Why would he convert if he knew that the Pope was complicit.?
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     Joshua

     December 30, 2009 at 5:02 pm

     It is very wrong to judge people who had good intentions and did the best they could in hindsight. There are so many factors to consider. For example, many jews wondered why the Allies never bombed Auschwitz during the war. Churchill called it the most evil place on earth when he found about it in 1943 and lengthy debates were had on what to do about it but decided that it would be hard to bomb it without harming many civilians. They decided the best thing to do was double down and destroy Nazi Germany, which they did. They even bombed part of Auschwitz accidently while bombing nazi factories. So one could say.. ” the Allies were complicit in the holocaust, they refused to act by bombing the death camps when asked by Jewish groups” or you could consider the factors and look at the context. The same is true with Pius. Pius could have made speech after speech ( in Obama style) condemning something, which at the time nobody knew the entire extent of and faced death for not him but many more people or he could have worked quietly underground to save Jews, which he did. But even that isnt totally true, because Pius did speak out against Nazi racial ideology and genocide.
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    Joshua Reply

    December 24, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Im not a huge fan of Catholicism, but Pope Pius was no nazi lover. He helped save thousands of Jews from Hitler. 75% of Italy’s Jews were saved, mostly in Catholic convents, churches and monestaries. Even at the Pope’s residence there were Jews hiding during the war. Far from being silent, when Pope Pius actually found out about the deportation of Rome’s Jews, he sent out an order to open up 155 Church buildings to hide all remaining Jews in Rome. The Nazis hated Pius, they banned the Catholic press, disrupted Catholic services and sent priests to the gas chamber. Almost 4,000 priests died in the gas chambers and death camps of nazi europe. They produced anti Pius political propaganda that called him a Jew lover. Pius worked silently to save Jews, getting them passports, safe passage to Spain and Turkey and Latin America. He did this because when the church spoke out aggressively in the Netherlands even former Jews, who were Christians, were targeted. It sent shockwaves through the church and though the Pope did condemn Nazi racism broadly he had to work behind the scenes. He was able to stop the euthanasia program for a few years and delayed the deportations in Hungary. 860,000 Jews were saved by Catholic institutions during the war. Even in Poland, where the Poles were also hated by the Germans and the penalty for helping a Jew was to be shot on the spot, many Jews were saved. Pius did what he could given the fact that he was in Nazi occupied Europe. He made an agreement with the Nazis early in the war to protect the Catholic population ( only 25% of Germany’s 1930s population) but the Nazis still persecuted the church and even had a plot to kidnap Pope Pius.

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