Not any more.

Lisa Miller, in all of the information that has been released, has never dated a guy, let along was married before her relationship with Jenkins. Please give a citation as searches regarding this do not show anything. In fact, since leaving Jenkins, Miller has not had any relationships with anyone male or female that anyone can find or has reported. Even IF- and I do mean IF- you have proof that Lisa Miller went back and forth- that is bisexuality incidentally- it changes absolutely nothing regarding this case.

So ask for law here, then go out and try to change laws you don’t like. Seems to be the norm

No, Lisa Miller did NOT want visitation at all. Period. End of sentence. It was only after it became clear that she was losing the battle she came up with this idea of telling people she was willing to accept supervised visits. Why not ask why Lisa Miller not move back to Vermont? Oh, that is right, because so many of you supporting Ms Miller want it to sound so innocuous and innocent and wonderful, but really, you just don’t want Miller to move back here where she might lose the influence of those who keep telling her that she’s no longer lesbian.

supervised visits, which are what Miller wanted all along?

The real fact about this is NOT that it is Gay/straight issue. The argument truly is religious belief vs. Law. For some reason, plenty of people, including Lisa Miller, seem to think they are ABOVE THE LAW because of their religious beliefs. This is NOT TRUE. If it was true, anyone could do anything and get away with it as long as they say “Its part of my religion”.

On the plus side… it is nice to see SOME “religious” people have understood God’s real message about loving their fellow man and women. I know PLENTY of people who are religious who just don’t care if someone is gay or not! They just love them and accept them the way they are! I just wish the rest of the religious population actually read the bible they keep thumping! Some day they might actually GET Jesus’s message!

Tammy – I will try again. Whether you like it or not, a child that is born into a legal union is considered the LEGAL child of both parents in the union. It doesn’t matter how the child came to be, through natural conception, artificial insemination, adoption or the woman screwing around with another guy. There is PLENTY of legal precedent for this. Lisa and Janet were in a legal union. Therefore they are the duel parents of the child. Janet Jenkins didn’t NEED to adopt her. Just like a man who is married to a woman who gets artificial insemination doesn’t need to adopt the child. Its his. Period. Case closed.

As for “but Janet didn’t see the child” or any other argument, it doesn’t legally matter. Just ask a parent who has gone through a divorce and deals with custody issues!! I have seen plenty of men who wanted to just walk away and not pay child support…. it doesn’t work that way. Not to mention most of the crap you just said about how the child was treated has already been proven to be NOT TRUE. AS IN – LISA LIED. As for what may or may not have happened in the relationship… ever been to divorce court??? I can tell you first, most of THAT is lies as well and second, it doesn’t matter. Actually, Lisa even got child support. Lisa’s sob story had never held up when examined and she keeps changing her story. All of these “allegations” have been proven completely unfounded.

As for the comparison with the Goldmans, it is EXACTLY true. Everyone is using the same arguments to support a Felon as Sean Goldman’s grandparents did. Neither hold up to law. Sorry. Fact is Fact.

You state the Gods law should be above the countries law. Ok, so which “God’s” law are you talking about? Lets see, I suppose we COULD have you dress in a burka… you’d probably like it. Oh yes, you’d love the part not having any right as a female to walk out of your house with out a male, or the fact you can’t speak in public to anyone who is not related to you! How about the law that says you can’t drive, choose your own husband or allows you to be given away in marriage at age 8?

Oh, or are you saying that if you follow YOUR religious “beliefs” the law should roll out the red carpet and bow down to you? I know LOTS of Satanists who would LOVE that!!! Did you know its part of THEIR religious beliefs to kill babies on their alters? Nice to know you support that idea. Or that certain groups of Mormons are perfectly OK with marrying their 12 year old daughters to some old man they have never met? Glad your ok with that one too.

I know you hate it, but guess what? This country was founded on religious freedom. That means that one religion can not dictate “beliefs” to another one or over another one. Don’t like that? Rather follow “God’s” law… whatever your interpretation of that is… than the Constitution and the laws set down by it? Please go join your brothers and sisters of the Taliban in the middle east. While you live in this country, you have to follow our laws. Don’t like it? Please leave before we have to pay for you to be put in the prison system!

Having said that, Lisa Miller is on crack if she thinks anybody buys her theory that Isabella and Jenkins “had a deep friendship” instead of a mother-daughter bond. I have some great friends, but I wouldn’t let them pay for my fertility treatments, pay me child support or GIVE MY CHILD THEIR LAST NAME.

While it seems incredibly obvious that Isabella’s conception was planned jointly by Miller and Jenkins with the intention to co-parent, I do not believe it is in the child’s interest to remove her from the custody of the only mother she knows (however I fully support Jenkins’ right to visitation with the child). I read that Jenkins did not try to adopt Isabella, my question is – would she have been allowed to? Does anyone know if Vermont law allows this? This whole case is incredibly sad and I hope the resolution brings as much peace as possible to all parties involved (not likely, I know). I do respect Lisa Miller’s right to change her lifestyle and sexual orientation as she sees fit – but you can’t just remove another parent’s rights to a child.

So, it was when I was in the psych ward – you get put through evaluations, group therapy, individual therapy and it was through this process of them trying to figure out what was wrong with me that they said, “Well, we don’t really know but we really think that you are probably a lesbian and you are having problems with coming out issues.”

They actually put that as my treatment plan and I had to meet with my family before they would release me from the hospital to explore this issue. So, that was the first time that I had really explored this issue. It was in the hospital, with my parents, my extended family and also my husband at the time, even though we were separated, and soon after that we parted ways and we got a divorce. So, back in 1994, was the first time that I really self-identified myself as a lesbian.

LifeSiteNews: What led you to attempt suicide?

Miller: What led me to that was – from the age of 7, my parents had divorced and I had started taking Speed. I didn’t know that that was what it was at the time because you could get it over the counter basically. Through a serious of addictions from the time I was 7, up until the time I met my husband, I had never had alcohol.

When I met my husband, he introduced me to alcohol and mixing that with some pills that I was taking and I had food addictions – I guess, it really did depress me and, at that time, I just felt that nothing else was going to get better and I was having marital problems with my husband at the time and I just decided that I wanted to end my life… ”
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Okay who may be the one not fit to take care of a child? Just like the judge said the parent that in her fervor failed to adhere to a child visitation order. I think we can see who the crazy one is – on Miller’s admission. No one in their right mond would run from the feds. So Eric you say why bring religion into and let me tell you the one who did – LISA Miller herlsef, because she is spinning the line that JESUS saved her from the carziness she is confessing to in the interview. Now I dont believe that if you clap your hands and say Hallelejuh that you can save yourslef from doing bad shit like this again. I think this interview shows that child to be at grave risk as long as Lisa is on the run from the law.

Judge Cohen already took this into consideration. He has made his decision. It is unfair for Isabella to be denied access to her mother, and it is illegal for Lisa Miller to abduct her. You may not agree, but this is the law.

And there is has been a strange degree of silence from the Liberty Counsel. I think a lot of folks are realizing that Miller went too far here.

You are incorrect about Miller being open to visitation of any kind. READ THE STORY. She refused ALL visitation…. even AFTER the judge told her to knock it off.

Bad visitations? Try again. There was ONE report…. which was proven unfounded.

VIRGINIA has nothing to do with this. The case was started in Vermont, which had governing authority, even Virginia admits it. So what your saying is that a legal court order from another state is not valid? Oh yes, lets do this please. That means if you commit a crime in one state, all you have to do is move to another one so you won’t get arrested. I know lots of murderers, rapist and child molesters who would LOVE your interpretation of the law!

Anyone supporting or hiding a kidnapped child is a FELON. PERIOD.

Get over it. Christianity is only ONE of thousands of religions in this county. Fanatic Christians are even a minority among Christians.

As for abomination of God…. I think God would find YOU to be an abomination. You use his name to do Satan’s work. You have ignored his commandment to love your fellow man and women. You have completely IGNORED his first 10 commandments in order to focus on “sin” number 1456, that was only a SIN because some Catholic monk in the dark ages said it was. Personally, I think God isn’t nearly as petty as you seem to think. Honestly! I think god would find any relationship that contains love, honestly, kindness, compassion and caring to be wonderful compared to the hatred, murder and terrorism that is promoted in “his” name by so many people calling themselves “HIS” followers!

Now let me explain, in little itty bitty words the law to you. Isabella was born into a legal union / marriage. You might not LIKE it, you might not AGREE with it, but it is the FACTS. ANY child, born into a marriage of any sort, is considered the child of that marriage. (Still following me or did I lose you already?) That means the child is the legal child of the TWO PEOPLE of that marriage. (I lost you, didn’t I?) It does not MATTER how that child “came to be” in that marriage… whether it was by natural conception, artificial insemination, adoption or that the woman was screwing around with someone else. (Plenty of court precedent for that argument!) Those two people are STILL the legal and REAL parents of that child. Should those parents divorce, they are STILL the legal and REAL parents of any child born into that marriage, even if that child is not “biologically” related to those parents. If that was NOT TRUE, than any woman who became pregnant by artificial insemination would be the sole parent of a child, even if she was married. (There are plenty of men who are sterile yet use artificial insemination to have a child with his wife. Those men are still considered the legal and REAL fathers of those children.)

Therefore, Isabella is the LEGAL child of BOTH PARENTS. They are BOTH her REAL PARENTS. One parent does not have the right to ILLEGALLY ban the other parent from involvement with THEIR child.

So sorry…. I know you hate the fact that RELIGION does NOT trump the law. I know you feel that it should… at least as long as it is YOUR religion! It doesn’t work that way. A Satanist who kidnaps and murders a child because it is “part of their religion” is still a kidnapper and murderer. The law STILL applies to them, even if that part of their religion is in conflict with the law. LAW TRUMPS ALL.