24 Responses to Too Tall? Mormon Temple At Center Of Phoenix Resident’s Ballot Petition Drive

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   toast Reply

   May 15, 2011 at 12:22 pm

   that is totally ridiculous paula!!! Have a little empathy, by the way did you tell the people what goes on in those temples that are masonically influenced. How you have to baptize for the dead in those temples? Wear secret underwear and pay a connditional 10 per cent tithing just to enter the temple and do your activities in there…

   Dear Paula… Please go to http://WWW.UTLM.ORG (Wiritten by a descendent of Brigham Young) with a benevolent open mind and study up on the religion and Joseph Smith’s awful skeletons in his closet. Please read up on it. Peace.
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   Sei Reply

   January 5, 2010 at 3:21 pm

   Daioni, thank you for hitting this point. Don’t bother posting again, you are hereby spam.
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   Daioni Reply

   January 5, 2010 at 2:58 pm

   HA, that’s rich, I never claimed to be a victim, once again your trying to imply things with no idea what is going on, or just outright lieing. How many articles did you read? Let me guess, SLT? I googled the issue and right away, BAM, 5 articles that specifically refernce the fact that there is not limit on steple height on religious buildings, you must really be trying to dodge the facts if you missed all that. I would have no problem if there was a lagitamate complaint, but so far all I have seen are people like you twisting facts and deceptions to play the victims yourselves while accusing others of the same, how hypocritical. If you tell me unbiased, unaltered facts, I accpt them, but once you get into this bull crud propaganda you guys pull claiming it’s not about religion, when quite cleary the actions show otherwise. You want neutrality? Then write an unbiased article, until then expect people who don’t buy into ignorent attempts at deception to cut you any slack.
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     Sei

     January 5, 2010 at 3:12 pm

     Daioni,

     The articles I read did not include that information. I’m sorry, but you can whine all you want about that fact. You don’t have to cut me any slack, and I don’t care if you do. You want to sound like the victim here, but you aren’t. You want to whine about how you can find so many articles including that information, but it does not change the fact that my sources did not include that information. You read an implication into this which shows your biases more than it does mine. The fact that you are still complaining about this all this time later just tells me you are desperate to win.

     I made you an offer, you did not follow through.
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   Daioni Reply

   January 5, 2010 at 2:30 pm

   Sei, go to any link or story from any newpaper or website covering this event and you can find that piece on information ANYWHERE, it would be very unlikely for you to miss it if you were truely interested in spreading the truth. I don’t see anyone protesting any church as much as they have the mormons, this isn’t about height, it’s about bigotry. You can tell by the volunteers collecting signatures at Christ Church of the Valley which has an aggressive anti-Mormon ministry. So much for the neighborhoods sham claim that this wasn’t about religion.
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     Sei

     January 5, 2010 at 2:39 pm

     Daioni,

     It wasn’t in the articles I read about this when preparing this article. Of course, if you cannot stand the bigotry, then you should probably not perpetuate a lot of bigotry yourself. Personally, I do not have any problem with Mormons. I’ve met some very nice Mormons over the years. I do not care if they want to build this church either. The biases you are claiming to see are because you want to cry bigotry. You want to sound like the victim. Unfortunately for you, you are not the victim on this blog.
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   Daioni Reply

   January 5, 2010 at 1:59 pm

   Please, the church did obey the law, thus the approval, it went through the right channels to request the addition in height, thus are obeying the law. You omitted facts, you did not mention the fact that steple height is not restricted, instead implying that the church is much more over the limit then the reality of the situation. Where I come from that’s still called deception. Please qoute from your article where it says “the church is 10 feet over the limit”. Oh right, it’s not there. I see this oh so often, realying on ignorance to make a point. People like you are so ignorant and hypocritical.

   And Brooks, learn your facts, it was a coalition of churches that lead the charge on prop 8, mormons are just being scapegoated by the hypocritical bigots who couldn’t tell what tolerance is if it bit them in the ass.
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     Sei

     January 5, 2010 at 2:11 pm

     I do not omit facts I do not have to report upon, Daioni. The problem is, the information I do have says nothing about unrestricted steeple height. Please give a link to that information and I will correct this.

     And the Mormons were part of the group supporting Prop 8, we all know that. The Roman Catholic Church was another. It does not matter if they were one of many or leading the charge. They were part of the charge. Whining about who was in the lead doesn’t change who was involved.
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   Daioni Reply

   January 5, 2010 at 11:04 am

   Oh please, this is idiotic, the church did not ‘tell individuals in Arizona whom they may, or may not, enter into a private contract of civil marriage with’ that belongs to the state of Cali who voted on their own state constitution as is their right, all the previos comments proves is how this is less about ‘height’ and more about ‘revenge’. Any idiot can tell these articles ignore the facts to shock readers into their line of thinking, the building is 10 feet over the limit, the steple doesn’t count as is the same for any church, and the height was approved through the proper channel AND negotiated down in attempts to compromise, as have traffic and lighting issues. Notice how this article never mentions THAT! And those protests clearly are anti-mormon, else why put ‘Stop the malice palice’ on your main building? Oh that’s right, to attract the anit-mormon crowd who will support you as long as it’s something against the church. This is just another example of the moral decay of America.
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     Sei

     January 5, 2010 at 11:09 am

     Daioni,

     The people of the neighborhood want this building to keep to the building codes and want to put it to a vote. I hardly ignored information with regards to that while writing this. Instead, you’re just upset that the Mormon Church is being told that they have to obey the law, and that the council should not have granted the exemption. It is all in there if you read the article. Instead, it seems like you were more worried and concerned about screaming about the fact that the citizens of this neighborhood are unhappy with this temple going up. As for the negotiations, that was not included in the information I was given. Of course, that still does not change the fact that the Mormon Church is finding out that a lot of people are vocally opposed to them now, and that the push back against their faith is growing.
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   Nick Reply

   January 3, 2010 at 9:57 pm

   “My problem here is the good citizens and burghers of this fine community do not have the constitutional authority to tell the Mormons they can not erect a Temple on their private property–just like these citizens, which included the Mormons who want to build this temple, and their elected representatives did not have the constitutional authority to tell individuals in Arizona whom they may, or may not, enter into a private contract of civil marriage with…”

   Agreed. Count me as one Mormon who was/is not a fan of Prop 8, etc. I hope within my lifetime the LDS Church will make some changes on that issue.
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   Jared McGladdery Reply

   January 3, 2010 at 1:35 pm

   So what happens if the Temple’s spire is raised ten feet and the building is lowered ten feet? This seems to be a waste of time on the part of the neighborhood. I also heard they hired a company to get the signatures. After all, the protests of the temple I have seen have never generated even 100 people, much less 400 people willing to go out on the streets and trails of Phoenix gathering signatures during the holidays. Someone needs to fact check that.
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     Sei

     January 3, 2010 at 1:57 pm

     Nope, you were told wrong. They did not hire some firm to gather signatures. They did it themselves.
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   HiveRadical Reply

   January 3, 2010 at 3:13 am

   I wonder about the history of those actively opposing this in terms of what other things they have or haven’t opposed or supported. I know in Boston the Church bent over backwards to the extent of thoroughly washing off each and every truck that left the construction sight. Many many of the people in that neighborhood who opposed the Temple initially went on to support it and, as the spires construction in that case was delayed, ended up actually publicly stating that they wanted to see the temple with the full spire on it.

   There are very very few people who initially oppose temples that end up opposed to them once they are built and running.

   It’s not as though this is some oppressed community. I looked at the neighborhood via google earth and it seems someone has some rather tall palm trees (I doubt those ostentatious plants are native to phoenix) And while those trees taken cumulatively block the view about as much as the spire would (The spire being the only thing of any real height, the main core of the building being a not terribly ostentatious 40 ft high, a mere 10 feet above the standard ordinance restrictions). Yet how many of these neighbors camp out with a massive sign talking about how inconsiderate their neighbors with the tall palm trees are? But trees are Holy now aren’t they. I mean they’re what we really worship now days, well that and personal swimming pools. It’s comforting to know that most of those discontented neighbors can go and cool off in their own personal swimming pools after a long day protesting an ‘ostentatious’ temple who’s main building height is a mere ten feet above their own homes and who’s spire finds several rivals in the neighborhood collection of non-native palm trees.

   I’d suppose a neighborhood where virtually everyone has their own personal swimming pool would know ostentatious when it’s present.

   There’s nothing wrong with having your own swimming pool. I mean sure they kill more kids a year in the US than do firearms. But responsible people know how to use them.

   So have fun fighting that ‘horrible’ traffic that will be brought about by all those rowdy Mormons, you know we really know how to trash a neighborhood. I wonder if the traffic issue brought out the protesters when they built that golf course nearby.
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    Duke of Earl Grey Reply

    January 3, 2010 at 12:14 am

    126 ft refers only to the height of the spire, which is not restricted for a religious building, as I understand it. Other than the spire, the planned temple will be 40 ft high, so it’s still over the 30 ft limit, but not as ridiculously “well beyond that” as this story seems to indicate.
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      toast

      May 15, 2011 at 1:00 pm

      Paula, i believe you need a little more information and knowledge about the mormons and their temples and a little more benevolence before you pretty much blindly defend them. The neighborhood communities know that a temple is going to bring A LOT of traffic to the neighborhood. Most of these fine looking people that are members of a cult are going to the temples to BAPTIZE for the DEAD, and to perform ETERNAL TEMPLE MARRIAGES where hundreds of mormons attend at these temples on weekends. Many of the fine citizens of Phoenix are not Mormon, they do HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY (That is what petitions are for, Paula) to stop this temple… they pay their taxes and want to enjoy Peace on the weekends (at their residency where they pay their property taxes) with their families without the drama of Mormon vehicles possibly endangering their children and clogging up THEIR neighborhoods and taking away their day of Sabbath!!! (Utah Mormons drive the worst, by the way , i lived there for 13 years) LDS Members from all over USA will be attending these ritual eternal bogus weddings (mostly) and locals doing baptisms reguarly that were all instituted over a hundred years ago by a false prophet, Joseph Smith. PAULA, The facts are there, research them benevolently, you will be blown away by the stuff you are going to learn about Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and their history.. be prepared……. …www.UTLM.org… peace….. Nick Toast
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    Nick Reply

    January 2, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    As a practicing Mormon, I was a bit confused by the intro to this article. Am I correct in assuming that when you say “church” (in the first paragraph) you mean a Mormon temple? I’m guessing so, but I’m not entirely certain.

    In a more general vein, while I do appreciate neighborhood concerns about height, I think it’s fair to mention that LDS temples usually increase local property values (frequently due to the beautiful landscaping). I really hope that the Church officials and the local community can reach some amicable agreement about the building height.

    Concerns about increased traffic are really less of a problem. LDS Temples do draw crowds while they are hosting an open house (which occurs for a few weeks before the temple is dedicated), and––of course––during the dedication. After that, however, traffic increases are minimal. Mormon temples aren’t massive meeting-spaces like a big churches or cathedrals. That is, after the dedication, the temple doesn’t host large congregational meetings––in fact, it’ll be closed on Sundays (and probably Monday afternoons/evenings). There will be traffic increases I’m sure, but they’ll be more like a steady trickle rather than periodic massive incursions on holidays. It’ll actually have less impact than an average church, to say nothing of “mega churches” in the Evangelical tradition.

    By the way, CanuckJacq, 130 feet will scarcely make it the tallest building in the city (unless you’re referring to some city other than Phoenix).
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      toast

      May 15, 2011 at 12:40 pm

      Hey Nick nice bull @#$% answer….
      As an ex Mormon, Nick is full of crap. IF it is 130 feet… it is a temple 4 sure, not a stake house (a big church usually with a satellite for general conference meetings and new member baptisms) or a church – neither that never has anything over 130 feet. Nick is lying, people from all the other stakes within 10 mile radius will be going to the temple in this neighborhood to do baptism’s for the dead in their magic underwear. Everyday of the week.!!! Active LDS members HAVE to pay their 10 percent tithing (household income) just to go to the temple and to receive their temple card to enter inside. Many people that are members will be doing baptisms for the dead and MANY, many temple marriages will be located there on weekends absolutely! … clogging up the neighborhoods from LDS memebers from all over the area– going to the temple weddings. Nick. You are blinded by the religion, I once was , too. Nick, you only mention half truths about the Real truth. Go to http://WWW.UTLM.ORG... research the facts in a benevolent way, Nick. I dare you. Joseph is a false profit, that is a fact. The church is a 500 fortune company that requires 10% pay to even go to these temples in the neighborhoods. ANd Nick, we cannot become gods like Joseph claims we can, and D and C 132 is all a convenient revelation by Joseph to sleep around on his wife, Emma, a ticket from heaven to practice polygamy, all man made revelation, not God sent.. Go to the website, learn some more knowledge today. Check it out LDS peeps….another lie in the book of mormon—-Alma7:10 Jesus was born in Bethlehem, not Jeruselum.. Joseph was a little drunk when he translated that part of the book of mormon. …………….. peace

      Nick Toast
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    Jessica Sideways Reply

    January 2, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Yeah, it is like putting up a pornographic billboard next to someone’s residence.
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      Ash Kay

      January 14, 2011 at 3:28 am

      how in the WORLD is a temple like a porno billboard?! I’m not even mormon and that is the stupidist thing to say.

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    CanuckJacq Reply

    January 2, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    It’s hardly a “right” to build an ostentatious building that will then become the tallest building in the city.