65 Responses to Uganda Million Person Anti-Gay March- To Show Homosexuality Should be illegal

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   Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

   January 26, 2010 at 4:00 pm

   Paula,
   I admire your efforts to blackmail Uganda,…But there are around 9 international oil companies all struggling to get part of this oil.
   Actually Tullow executives were in Uganda last Friday literally begging to invest in Uganda.
   If your own government does business with countries like Saudi Arabia ( which has even more tough laws) do you think they will even care about you???
   They will keep sending you those consolation letters saying ….( oooohhh… we are so sorry) but eeeh…these companies need to make money.
   Oil is on demand…1 million new cars every year on Chinese roads. Especially with countries like Russia and Venezuela nationalizing there oil industries,these companies need some dough
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     Sei

     January 26, 2010 at 4:15 pm

     Jeremy,

     Where will that oil be transported? Through Kenya and Tanzania, as Paula mentioned, and then out into pirate infested waters? Right now, our Congress is already moving to end foreign aid to Uganda. Sweden is doing that right now too. More European countries are considering it. Oh, they might not slap sanctions on Uganda, but they don’t have to, do they? The governments probably won’t even bother with sanctions. They’ll just tell these corporations to call off the deals and put an end to the whole thing or risk problems at home. They’ll do that because they know that they’d be facing their own uproar at home over this.

     The difference between Saudi Arabia and Uganda, Jeremy, is that Saudi Arabia has enough wealth to stand on its own and doesn’t need other nations to pipe oil to port or the international community to protect their ships.

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   Melanie Nathan

   January 25, 2010 at 1:14 pm

   Did you see our piece calling for the boycotts to start? We want to find all importers of Ugandan Coffee in US and get LGBT to picket until they stop their orders.
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   antonio

   January 25, 2010 at 12:32 pm

   Google child sacrifice in Uganda’. Can’t blame that on gays.
   Google poverty in Uganda–can’t blame that on gays
   Google foreign aide to Uganda–can’t blame that on gays
   Their customs and traditions are pre history, primitive and barbaric. Their entitled to them. But the world is waking up that sending them billions with their ungrateful, arrogant attitude is money down the drain.

   antonio
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     Melanie Nathan

     January 25, 2010 at 1:00 pm

     Yeah and maybe dada idid amin was gay? Lets blame that on gays too…. Thanks Antonio – well stated – but then maybe all that is acceptable and being gay is not. Perfect Christian values for a Country that has 82% cristianity. The problem is they probably do blame all taht on gays…. when you want to get rid of a population, then scapegoat them and genocide is justified!!! When will the World Learn.

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   Spartan

   January 25, 2010 at 6:47 am

   To all of you armchair liberal homosexual apologists, Uganda is not any African country and can never starve as a result of withdrawal of western gay strings-attached money. We produce our own food and export the rest, to the region and internationally. You might want to tell supermarkets in the south of the US to boycott our products. I just wish our president had the guts to throw it back in your faces.

   I understand his predicament though. Uganda is sitting on billions of barrels of oil but the revenues won’t start flowing until 2013. And 2013 can’t come soon enough for him. So he will tread lightly, for now.

   Homos, please crawl back to whatever abyss you came from. Or take all the homos from Uganda. Or shut up.
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     Sei

     January 25, 2010 at 6:51 pm

     Spartan,

     If you produce your own foods, then by all means eat it. My only complaint is this- you take Western aid money for your nation. Stop accepting our money and I wouldn’t care a fig what you do to your own country. I don’t mean in 2013 or when ever you can get to the oil, I mean today. Of course, how much of that planning to get to the oil began when oil was sky rocketing towards $500 a barrel. Today, those oil fields may not even pay for themselves.

     And, for a nation that has a huge problem with child sacrifice, I’d think that you are having a bigger problem than you want to admit to.

     Oh, and Spartan, I’d recommend that, before you take on that moniker, you may want to brush up on homosexuality in Ancient Greece, especially among their warriors.
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    Melanie Nathan

    January 25, 2010 at 2:11 am

    Jeremy does not speak with an african flavor., In fact he smells like one of those ex-gay bigot reparative therapy types. Fee fie fo fum I smell the blood of a bigotted man.
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    Melanie Nathan

    January 25, 2010 at 1:56 am

    lol
    Thats funny Paula; but why would he want to pretend – afraid to admit he is close… in the US and knows shit about South Africa and apartheid. Jermey let me explain I was a lawer IN SA and hated APratheid. I was so glad that the USA sanctioned and boycotted SA. If they had not done so Mandela woukld never have been released in 1990 and De Klerk would still be wanking in Pretoria. So you really need to ctach up. However if you have anything purposeful here please let us know what it is because until now your presence has been entirely unproductive

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    Jeremy Ochan .., Uganda

    January 25, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Well , Read your history properly ….. the US supported the apartheid regime in South Africa and even Mandela was on the US terror list until last year.

    Ha ha ha … you will starve Uganda???? Are you the one who feeds us? A lot of propaganda about how you “saving” the world.

    Remember, even in America, most people oppose gay culture.
    As it has already been rejected in 31 states

    So the Conservatives you voted in Massachusetts will promote gay culture?
    Good luck there
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      Sei

      January 25, 2010 at 12:54 am

      Jeremy,

      You might want to brush up on your American politics. Scott Brown is a lot more liberal than you are. He’s hardly a Conservative Republican. He’s about on par with a Blue Dog Democrat. And you might want to try not screaming about us not knowing our history. I am well aware of just how much the United States was involved in supporting corrupt regimes and systems so long as they supported the American Imperialistic structures. For me, the names that come to mine are Raphael Trujillo and Augusto Pinochet. And, for the record, my great-grandfather is numbered among the people that Trujillo threw in jail in order to suppress political dissent and my great-grandfather is also numbered among the people who died as a direct result of Trujillo’s government. My great-grandfather died in one of his prisons. Augusto Pinochet executed, as far as the family can find out, the remaining family of my great-grandmother. Both men were supported by the United States government who gave them their support and blessing. Hell, the CIA helped arrange for Pinochet to take power.

      As for “most people oppose gay culture”, I would like to point out that most of those people support civil unions now, and the numbers are ticking towards support for marriage equality. No one has come out in support of recriminalizing homosexuality either, at least no politicians. A few groups like Liberty University are certainly in support of it, but they are in the minority.

      Jeremy, you show very little understanding of the American LGBT political landscape. On the other hand, I know a lot more about Colonialism than you appear to, as well as having some understanding of the cultures that proceeded the European Colonial push into Africa. I will admit that Africa is far from being my strong suit. I’m more familiar with Latin America, where my ancestors come from, Europe and Asia than I am Africa, but I am only one person and learning about as many cultures as I can in my lifetime is slow going.
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      Melanie Nathan

      January 25, 2010 at 2:31 am

      Richard Cohen claims he has helped thousands of people come out of … homosexuality.

      His work has drawn the ire of the LGBT community, and has also been used in Uganda to help justify an anti-homosexual movement that culminated in a legislative effort known as the “Kill The Gays Bill.”

      Cohen appeared on The Rachel Maddow Show on a few weeks ago to present his side of the story. He distanced himself from the Ugandan legislation, but continued to advocate his position that homosexuals can change their preferences.

      “I realize I was taking the risk of helping promote you and the way that you think about these things by putting you on the air,” Maddow said. “But I do think that you’ve actually got blood on your hands.”

      Later she added, “Just in case this gets heard in Uganda … Richard Cohen is not licensed by any American or any other licensing body whatsoever.”

      During the segment, Maddow read passages from Cohen’s book, Coming Out Straight, including one based on discredited research:

      Homosexuals are at least 12 times more likely to molest children than heterosexuals; homosexual teachers are at least 7 times more likely to molest a pupil; homosexual teachers are estimated to have committed at least 25 percent of pupil molestation; 40 percent of molestation assaults were made by those who engage in homosexuality.
      Cohen acknowledged that he plans on withdrawing the quote from future printings so that it cannot be used against homosexuals in the propaganda war in Uganda. However, he struggled to remember that his book still includes race as a possible factor in homosexuality.
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      Melanie Nathan

      January 25, 2010 at 12:44 pm

      we certainly starved you out – dont see your face around here anymore exposure scare you?
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    Jeremy Ochan .., Uganda

    January 24, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    You can sit there in your Western Capitals and dream, make all the noise you like about boycotts, sanctions etc……..But even Obama ( the chief Liberal) has rejected you in the military.
    You will never throw Gay culture under our throats.
    Where in Africa have American sanctions ever caused social change ?
    Zimbabwe? Sudan? Somalia ?
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      Sei

      January 25, 2010 at 12:59 am

      Zimbabwe is close to being a failed nation, and Somalia pretty much is. President Bush lifted the sanctions on Sudan once he could get access to their oil. You might want to actually learn more about your geopolitics before claiming that sanctions are the aim of this. Without that money, Uganda collapses. What I want to know is why Uganda isn’t busy working on getting out from under the need for Western money to prop up its economy and government. The time of blind support for nations who claim to support the West is pretty much at an end. Where once men like Trujillo and Pinochet could get a free pass to oppress their people, Western nations are done with that by and large.
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      Melanie Nathan

      January 25, 2010 at 2:12 am

      he does not know what he wrote in his book
      He forgets – because its all BS. Imagine pretending you are from Uganda what a friggin coward he is. But Paula and Bridge that is in 100% lkeeping with the Prop 8 culture of cowardice.
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      Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

      January 25, 2010 at 6:14 pm

      Hi Paula, If you have any doubt that am a Ugandan send me an email at omusadha@yahoo.com
      we can chat from there.
      Actually we people in Uganda are not against you per-se but your aggressiveness is turning off people…things like calling Africans names….sanctions, homophobes, primitive, etc…..
      You can have dialogue with Ugandans without resorting to abusive language. That was my point.
      The handful of gays in Uganda are hiding now because your insults to the country have turned people against them.
      You are not helping your gay friends.
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      Sei

      January 25, 2010 at 6:48 pm

      Jeremy,

      You are the one who came in here and began spouting vile homophobic insults at us. Your rather conciliatory comment here amounts to “the pot calling the kettle black”. And given your inability to grasp the history of the African Continent and your decision to ignore most of us who replied to you without any insults just shows you are not serious about a dialogue.
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      Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

      January 25, 2010 at 7:34 pm

      Sei
      Your insults just show why I don’t even want to engage in a debate with you.
      You think that Africa started to exist when Europeans came to Africa. Africa had a culture, belief system, religions, and its own social organization ( inform of kingdoms) even before Europeans came. The first foreigners to come to Africa were Arabs.
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      Sei

      January 25, 2010 at 10:09 pm

      Jeremy,

      The notion that I insulted you because I somehow don’t know about…oh, the cultures that preceded the arrival of the Europeans is rather trumped up. The notion that sodomy bans in Africa predate the European Colonialism is rather stretched. You do not want to debate with me because you do not want to listen to someone who might actually know more about Africa than you want them to. I am more than aware of the cultures that predated European conquest, including quite a lot about the !Kung of the Kalahari. While I admit that much of my knowledge regarding Africa has more to do with Saharan Africa rather than Sub-Saharan Africa, I do know quite a bit about the Igbo, Zulu, and several of the tribal cultures which predated Europe, especially towards the southern portion of the African continent. Jeremy, the culture of Christianity that you are pushing is not African. It is based on European colonialism, and has its origins in the Middle East. Christianity did not spread much further south than Ethiopia, and certainly did not make itself known in a major way as far south as Uganda.
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      Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

      January 26, 2010 at 9:50 am

      Sei

      This statement doesn’t make sense
      “The notion that sodomy bans in Africa predate the European Colonialism is rather stretched”

      Let me educate you about Africa since you are trying to justify your gay culture which is opposed by 98% of Ugandans…by both Christians and non-Christians.
      We Africans see homosexuality as being both un-African and un-Christian, a double whammy in a place where both local tradition and the religious influence missionaries intersect.
      Among the Bantu groups in Africa (my ethnic group) and the Nilotics, and the Baganda (in Uganda) homosexuality begun with the advent of Arab traders and the act was henceforth referred to as ‘okulya ebisiyagi’ (in Luganda) which means Sodomy. In fact, this was the catalyst for the initial massacre of the Uganda Martyrs (22 people) who opposed its introduction around 1880.
      Uganda celebrates June 3rd every year as a national holiday for its resistance against gay culture.
      This resistance continues up to today.
      And by the way, precolonial African societies did not have prisons. The reason is to be found in the nature of their legal systems which mainly aimed at reconciliation. However, several lynching of homosexuals is reported to have occurred. To prevent these lynchings, the British introduced in Uganda ..1950 a life sentence for “crimes against nature” which included homosexuality.
      No one has ever been charged for this Vice in Uganda, however, recently the public has become more agitated because of international homos are trying to push this vice under our throats..hence the anti-gay bill.
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 10:41 am

      Jeremy-

      Arabs are Middle Eastern in origin. You might want to consider the fact that you are still talking about a religious practice from outside of Africa- namely Islam this time. You are still talking about a form of colonialism which, incidentally, in this case would be the Caliphates of Islam. I am sorry, but you still lose on that point. Nothing that you are proposing has its origins in anything truly African. It is either Christian or Islamic colonialism.

      Incidentally, since LGBT activism is only around fifty years old, somehow I doubt that you can celebrate a national holiday dating back to 1888. I suspect that you are talking about an anti-colonial uprising that lead to the deaths of twenty-two people. What it sounds like you are trying to combine anti-colonial sentiment with a strong opposition to homosexuality. The problem for you lies in the fact that anti-homosexual ideas belong to people other than the African tribes. Be that opposition Islamic or Christian in nature, it derives from outside Uganda and outside Africa. Basically, you want to state that Western society is demanding that you legalize homosexuality and thus it is wrong because it is coming from the old Western colonial powers while at the same time ignoring that Christianity and Islam are both non-African in origin. What is worse, Christianity is Western in its origins into Africa, and Islam is spread from beyond the Suez Canal (present day). Basically, my point is quite valid, you want to cling to colonialism while at the same time rejecting colonialism. You want to cling to Christianity and American views on that subject while at the same time rejecting those who want to ensure that people are not executed for being a particular minority because it comes from the West.

      You are talking about having a double standard. Either reject all non-African beliefs, including Christianity and Islam, or do not rail against those who are pushing your nation to not execute people who you are making a scape goat because you believe that they are the origin of your problems. What is more, give up every last dime of Western money given to your nation- including all trade contracts. Isolate your nation if you do not want Western or even World responses to your decision to execute people for being a minority because you cling to your very Western faith, and your very Western perversion of that faith.

      I went back and verified that you are discussing the battles between the local population of the Kingdom of Uganda, the various Christians in the area, and the Imperial British East Africa Company that began in 1888 and ended in the early 1890′s. Once the IBEAC collapsed, Uganda was put under the direct control of the British Crown through the Colonial Offices. Basically, you are trying to both embrace and reject Colonial attitudes. You do not want people to say that you shouldn’t execute people while at the same time embracing a rationale to execute people that derives within a segment of the American (and Western) evangelical traditions. Sorry, bub, you can’t have it both ways.
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 12:35 pm

      Jeremy,

      No, it is your desperation not mine. To be honest, you’re a bore. The fact that it takes me a minute and a half of looking things up in an encyclopedia to disprove your points simply proves that you don’t have a point. Homosexuality in Japan is called doseiaisha, incidentally. It is called a translation. Simply because a language has a word that means something does not prove that it is a concept originating in a language. From my research, the term doseiaisha has existed in Japanese for only about the last half century. By all that is Holy, Jeremy, that is a desperate and stupid ploy. English is a language that is cobbled together from two main branches (German and French), and a dozen smaller languages (from Spanish to Chinese). English uses the word coyote, which is not native to the language. English also uses the phrase automobile. Because the language has a word for automobile does not mean that automobiles have existed throughout the length and breadth of the English language. Words from hamburger to ketchup are all loan words. English also makes up its own words too. The term homosexual is not that old, incidentally, and is partially based upon Greek.

      Incidentally, you mean that African languages were not created by Christians or Muslims, not written. Most African languages did not have their own written alphabet (another great Greek mash up word) until the arrival of the Latin or Arabic scripts. Those that do typically existed in the Sahara and include kingdoms such as Egypt which used hieratic and demotic for every day writing.

      You keep coming back to the argument that even our military is against homosexuality, and yet that is a law put in place over a decade ago that even most in the military want abolished. Currently, support for the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is almost seventy-five percent in this country. Your argument is based on nothing.

      You actually said that the criminalization of homosexuality came into Africa via Islamic traders and that words concerning sodomy originate with them. Though the words are local, the concept is not. NOW, you are trying to back track and make it sound as if because of a local word meaning a concept from outside that language it indicates that your argument is based in African culture.

      Jeremy, the man who introduced this law is beholden to an American Christian group which is attempting to spread their beliefs in Christianity and their beliefs in what American culture should be to other nations. He is part of the Fundamentalist American Christian group called the Family. He is beholden to people who want to turn your nation into an American Imperialistic possession. Maybe you should consider where your marching orders are coming from first.

      Your arguments are a desperate repetition of the same statements over and over again without any variation. I’m sorry, but you cannot even keep your story straight from one post to the next. Your arguments are so easily countered it is all but laughable. I’m sorry, Jeremy, but really, is this the best you can do?
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      Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

      January 26, 2010 at 1:26 pm

      Sei

      Actually am becoming convinced that homos can cured by mental rehabilitation.
      Your arguments are all over the place…, Africa languages have nothing to do with Japanese and Chinese…..You are really desperate to divert from the issue at hand.
      In all African languages( more than 1000 of them) the word homosexual means something
      inhuman or a sinful act.
      This resounding rejection has no connection with your spin on Christianity or Islam or American Christians or some foreigner. Even in Ethiopia and Libya (which were never colonized)
      Have you heard about gays who were recently lynched in Nigeria? Does this have anything to do with American Christians ? or the Sodomites in Malawi facing trial now….were they also influenced by some right wing conspiracy? or those executed in Egypt ?
      The fact is …You are social misfits rejected all over the world by all religions and all modern cultures.
      That is why state after state gays have been rejected in a vote.
      In all the 203 countries in the world and territories, only 7 give you some form of recognition.
      This is a total rejection against this vice.
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 1:56 pm

      Jeremy,

      My arguments are hardly all over the place, they get at the core of your argument. Japanese languages are of importance to this conversation because- WOW- they provide a parallel example to what you’ve been trying to state and disprove what you’re trying to state. Ethiopia and Libya were colonized- just not by the West. Your arguments are rooted in the “everyone else is doing it so it’s alright” stupidity. Well, at one point, everyone said it was alright for the West to conquer Africa. Everyone tends to be defined at the time by whomever feels that they are in power. The old counter to this argument is “if everyone was jumping off a cliff, would you jump too?” Incidentally, at one time in English, the word ‘bent’ was considered a pejorative. The connotations of words change over time. There are hundreds of words which, even a generation ago, were considered to be bad words and don’t even cause people to blink. The word ‘rogue’, for instance, was considered to be absolutely dreadful, and enough to bring people to words if not blows. Today, you have politicians picking up that word as if it is a wonderful mantle to wear.

      As for all cultures reject homosexuality, that is somewhat erroneous. For instance, Japanese culture has never moved to make homosexuality illegal. While that culture has issues with the notion of same-sex marriage, that is deeply rooted in a culture where people were expected to get married and have children. If they later had lovers, it was not considered a problem. Today, there are a number of gay and lesbian individuals who get married, have children, then divorce and live with their same-sex partner. Because Japanese culture is not like Western and their social services are set up a lot better than, say, America, the need to be married to the person you live with is a little less problematic. However, there is a move in Japan towards altering marriage rights.

      It is also interesting how you say that we are rejected by all religions. Not all Christian sects feel that homosexuality is a vice or immoral. You might want to consider that while you’re babbling on. Most Pagan sects also do not feel that homosexuality is wrong, as do certain forms of Buddhism, Shintoism, and Taoism.

      Jeremy, you continue to push this idea that something is wrong without grounding your statements in anything in particular. You try to universalize your twisted beliefs as if, somehow, everyone else believes like you do and we’re here to corrupt you. Of course, it also shows you do not have an argument that will work. What is more, a minute’s worth of research will show you that seven is the number that allow same-sex marriages in all jurisdictions, but a total of thirty six allow civil unions or same-sex marriages. When you add in the United States and Mexico into the mix, that raises the number to thirty-eight, but those are in some jurisdictions. When you add in that Ireland is taking this under consideration right now, that brings it to thirty-nine. I can keep going. It is being debated in a number of nations.

      I would recommend that you stop at this point as well. You keep trying to make the same weak assertions regarding this issue and make it sound like everyone is on your side. Yet, people are turning against you. It may be slow, but it is happening.
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      Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

      January 26, 2010 at 2:34 pm

      Sei ….

      Again Sei you are just so wrong on the facts.
      Ethiopia and Libya were never colonized by anyone…..Who colonized them?
      You need an introductory course in world history/ affairs before you start posting stuff here.
      If gays are so accepted as you state, then good luck with that thinking.
      You can keep ranting here . Just remember that like all evils, homosexual imperialism will be defeated.
      The future of Uganda lies with Ugandans not a bunch of unrepentant KKK activists.
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 2:41 pm

      Libya was part of the Allomand Empire, an Islamic Empire which stretched from Egypt to Morocco and even into Spain. Ethiopia was independent for it’s history, but Christianity, Islam and Judaism all spread to that nation. There are more than one form of colonialism, in this case, it was the colonialism of ideas. Since none of those religions are native to those nations, they were, in effect, colonized by foreign ideas.

      I find it rather funny that you call us KKK activists, have you ever actually found out what the KKK stands for? Jeremy, I know more about world history than you apparently do. I also know the nuances of it. All you do is come in here and push your old lies. You should also try researching your stance on homosexuality before you talk about acceptance. I would like to point out that Uganda is likely to lose a lot of money it needs in order to survive if this bill goes through. Those nations you keep talking about rejecting “homosexual imperialism” are the ones who are not funding your nation.

      There is one thing I agree with- the future of Uganda belongs with Ugandans. Give up all aid money, give up all trade, and we’ll shut up and you can do what ever you want. So long as you are reliant upon Western aid to prop up your nation, you really should not be surprised if we speak out.

      I realized- you mean EUROPEAN colonization…because, apparently, conquest into an empire isn’t colonization, or are the spread of ideas considered to be colonialism despite the fact that many historians view them as such, especially when they are spread deliberately due to pressure from without in order to keep one’s nation independent. You’re thinking unnuanced colonialism, not the nuanced stuff that I deal with every day.
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      Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

      January 26, 2010 at 3:35 pm

      Sei..,
      Again you dont even know that the Turks and Spainards briefly occupied Tripoli in 1510 to stop piracy they DID NOT at any point occupy LIBYA as a nation.
      Interesting to see that you keep spinning colonialism, westernization (whatever it means) with religion. Just to educate you on your illiteracy, African churches and Mosques were centers for fighting colonialism and apartheid…one example is Bishop Desmond Tutu in S.Africa ( if you know who he is).
      The African church has been a center for promoting social justice and African culture in Africa. And its a very different social institution not your typical churches in the West.
      And if you international gay activists think you are going to wrestle with African churches, I wish you good luck…These churches defeated colonialism, with gays we don’t need any arms or laws to defeat you.
      If you think Uganda will lose ” a lot of money ” because of this bill.
      Again educate yourself…See what Bill Gates said yesterday …..Bill Gates suggests Ugandan anti-gay bill is not that big a deal….
      http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/25/bill-gates-uganda/

      As if that is not enough yesterday news ….Italian oil group ENI plans to invest 13 billion dollars (9.2 billion euros) to develop hydrocarbons in Uganda http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hY1chao7nxLStZ6grHf0IiEeuaUw

      Do you know that China will be the largest investor in Uganda and Africa by the end of this year ???
      Keep your delusional thinking that the “west” is still important.
      You need to keep those handouts for yourself since 1 in 8 Americans depend on food stamps.

      By the way you keep saying ” the west” may be you mean America. Because most western countries don’t even care about sodomites.
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 4:01 pm

      Jeremy,

      You think I’m talking about the Turks and the Spaniards?! You think I am talking about 1510?! Please, try thinking a hell of a lot further back than that. Oh yes, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu supports rights for gays and lesbians. And you might want to do a lot more reading up on China’s economic situation, the move within the US Congress and the EU Parliament to end foreign aid to Uganda over this. You might also want to consider that the bulk of the EU already supports our rights. Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Netherlands…all of those are part of the West, and are European countries. Try learning a bit more about the current state of LGBT politics before you rant.

      The people I’m talking about conquering Libya did so when the Turks were still under the occupation of the Byzantine Empire!
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      Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

      January 26, 2010 at 4:25 pm

      Sei

      You are really nuts..during the Byzantine Empire there was NO nation of Libya…Dude…you are really nuts.
      Well about China’s situation, just know that you have a 13 trillion debt and China has a 12 trillion surplus. You can’t put your spin on this.
      Your so called ” west” does business with Saudi Arabia ( A nation that hangs gays even without trial)
      If you think they will do anything about about Uganda, you must be day dreaming.
      British, Norwegian, and Italian companies ( supported by their governments) are busy begging to invest in our oil sector.
      As of yesterday, they were meeting our president.
      The so called EU and your noise making congress…can write as many letters of condemnations, protests, etc as they like….who cares?
      By the way Uganda has 3000 troops in Somalia preventing an Al-Qaeda type government from emerging…withdraw your “Aid” and see the consequences
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 4:31 pm

      Jeremy,

      You really can’t read, can you? I said that the Allamond Empire- also known as the Fatamid Empire, conquered Libya, not the Byzantines. I said that this occurred back at a time when the Turks were under the control of the Byzantines.

      Thing is, Jeremy, we don’t care what Saudi Arabia does because they do not have their hand out asking for foreign aid money. The EU and Congress are moving to end foreign aid money, and given that the troops in Somalia are not very effective, I don’t think that they’ll care if Uganda pulls out their soldiers. Somalia is still unstable, still falling to the Islamists- albeit more slowly- and still rife with piracy. Most people in the US and Europe don’t pay a lot of attention to Somalia because it isn’t as important as Yemen is right now.
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      Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

      January 26, 2010 at 4:42 pm

      Sei
      Again you are so misinformed as we speak…and as the anti-gay bill is gonna pass

      The European Union has agreed to send a team to help train up to 2,000 Somali troops, who are battling a long-running insurgency by Islamist militants. Spain will lead a mission of about 200 EU troops in setting up a training camp in Uganda, EU foreign ministers said.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8479564.stm

      Your rants are totally the opposite of what you are saying….
      Fact ,,,,, No one cares about you in practice…..Europeans may say a few things to impress gays but they are clever enough to know that they need Uganda
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 4:47 pm

      And how soon will that camp be moved if people make a cry about Uganda? I can imagine that it will be pretty darned fast. Of course, even if the bill passes, I believe that Uganda’s President has already vowed to veto it, and it seems as if this law was suppose to be voted on in December, and now it’s not being debated for how long?

      I think the hew and cry is having an effect and that you’re worried that you can’t get the Family’s point man in Uganda to back down and pull the bill despite political pressure and in the end, this could hurt Uganda, so you want us to shut up and we aren’t.

      You’re frothing at this point, Jeremy. You’re not even as good at this as some of the other people we’ve had attacking this site.
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      Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

      January 26, 2010 at 5:17 pm

      Ha ha ha … The bill will be modified and passed. The president supports the bill, that’s why its even being debated. If he didn’t, it wouldn’t even be debated.
      You have no clue how African politics works.
      In December the Parliament was on holiday.
      The bill goes through several stages, it doesn’t just pass once its proposed. It may take several months but it will pass.
      Honestly no one gives a shyte about gays. Especially with our vast oil resources and help on your global war on terror. There more important things than a bunch of gays who can be rehabilitated
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 5:39 pm

      Jeremy,

      The last report I had, which was in the news, was that the bill was to begin debate in December, and then it was pulled in order to be amended and reintroduced so that it now included “reparative therapy” and removed the part about executing people. That did not happen. The President of Uganda threatened to veto the bill as it stood because he knows that there is a lot at stake right now if it does pass. I know more about what is going on than you apparently do. Ah, well, I guess the Ugandan press- oh that’s right any press not favorable to the government is squashed in Uganda. You know, by the military? The press there is hardly free.

      As for the “War on Terror”, I find it funny that you’re so sure that the EU won’t turn elsewhere. Uganda and Burundi were the only two nations to really give troops to the efforts in Somalia, and that did not exactly go well did it? Ethiopia pulled out and half the country collapsed into Sharia. What is more, those Islamists are busy attacking your troops.

      Jeremy, you keep saying no one cares about us, and that your vast oil supplies and your help in the “War on Terror” shield you from responsibility for protecting your own people. Guess what, it doesn’t. Less than three thousand troops and a base isn’t a lot of help.

      Oh yes, and despite what Richard Cohen and his “cuddle therapy” assertions might lead you to believe, homosexuality is not a disorder. A lot of scientific data has shown that reparative therapy doesn’t work, and there is a lot more scientific data showing that homosexuality is genetic and biological in origin. Of course, if you know as much about science as you do about history, I’m not surprised you don’t understand that bit either.

      You protest too much, Jeremy. Usually that means that someone has secrets to hide. I wonder what yours would be, and I wonder just how things would go if we contacted the Ugandan government to pick you up as a gay man….really, it does make one wonder.

      Beyond that, the attempts to prevent us from reporting on the truth and of getting people against Uganda’s bill aren’t really working. Or had you never figured out that all it is doing is making us more dedicated to making sure that international pressure is ramped up to the point where Uganda either fails to pass this law or collapses?

      I keep telling you, I don’t care what Uganda does so long as it isn’t doing it with my money. You want to do what ever you want, fine. Give up the foreign aid money and revoke those contracts. I oppose the fact that American companies are running the Saudi oil fields. I think Saudis need jobs more than Americans do within Saudi Arabia, but you won’t listen to that either.

      And how long will it be before that oil is fully explored and exported? A decade? A lot can happen in a decade.
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      Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

      January 26, 2010 at 4:11 pm

      Paula
      I commend you for efforts to Blackmail Uganda.
      You will keep getting consolation letters from international companies
      First you need to understand what “Western Aid is” ?
      There are 3000 Ugandan troops in Somalia…actually helping America to prevent an Al-Qaeda type government from emerging in Somalia.
      I cant wait to see America withdrawing its over-hyped “aid” .
      Secondly, there are over 9 international oil companies all begging to have a piece of this oil.
      Actually Tullow executives were in Uganda literally begging to invest 15 billion dollars in our oil industry.
      By the “West” i think you mean America, because other countries don’t care about gays.
      Your government gets a lot of oil from Saudi Arabia ( it even has more harsh laws against gays)
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 4:18 pm

      Jeremy,

      I believe that the African troops, mainly Ethiopian, are losing ground in Somalia. Or are reports of Islamists gaining ground over hyped? And, given the fact that much of Europe- i.e. The West- has more advanced LGBT rights than America, I would hardly start saying that this is an America thing.
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      Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

      January 26, 2010 at 4:35 pm

      Sei ….
      Again you are wrong on the facts….
      There are no Ethiopian troops in Somalia, they left and gave way for African Union troops.
      The only countries with troops there is Uganda and a few soldiers from Burundi.
      The situation there is bloody. The US is scared of going back again after they lost the battle in 1991,
      I agree European countries have more LGBT rights but there approach is different.
      Instead of calling for sanctions against Uganda, they are clever enough to pursue dialogue instead of confrontational means that never work in Africa
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 4:41 pm

      Jeremy,

      You are right, the Ethopia troops left, and half of Somalia fell to the Islamists in less than half a year since the Ugandan and Burundian troops (each nation provides around half of the five thousand troops there, incidentally) and the Somali government forces couldn’t prevent it from collapsing. Those troops are not there with the blessing of the US, but with the approval of the African Union.

      And now you are talking about how Europe is engaging in dialogue. Well, I do not represent the government of any nation, Jeremy, but I know that legislators in many Western nations are gearing up legislation to pull aid money and punish Uganda if they go forward with this bill. Oh, they’ll talk first, but if it passes, do not be surprised if they act.
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 2:00 pm

      Jeremy,

      And many of us who you are busy berating on this site have voiced our opposition to those policies, to the use of drones, and to those idiots who attack Obama for his race. We are also aware that the majority of the civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan have not been ordered by the American military, but by Taliban and Al-Qaida forces who indiscriminately set off massive bombs in the middle of crowded markets in order to kill as many civilians as possible. The Taliban and Al-Qaida are waging a dual war on both the United States and Moderate Islam.

      And, Paula is right, we are trying to change the way our nation is. It is a slow process, but we are making progress. From the sounds of it, though, Uganda isn’t. Between people killing children in order to gain prosperity from the Spirits to killing gays because blaming them for the problems of society is easier than dealing with the problems of your country, I would say that at least working on the problems of our culture is a step forward.
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 2:35 pm

      Jeremy,

      Interesting, however, that is not entirely accurate. After all, this legislation did not come into being after the outcry against killing gays began, but before it. In point of fact, until this legislation came into being, no one paid any real attention to Uganda and their laws regarding gays and lesbians other than a few people. It certainly didn’t come about because of some massive push to change your laws by the LGBT activists of the world. Your argument puts the cart before the horse. You want to blame us for pushing Uganda to scrap a bill that you are claiming was created because of pressure to scrap that very same bill.

      Nope, this is because of a small group of people like Richard Cohen who went to Uganda to proselytize their twisted version of Christianity and not some attempt to force Uganda to not execute gays. The reaction from the world wide LGBT Community did not come about before this bill was introduce, but after it. Before that, most of us didn’t care.
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      Jeremy Ochan, Uganda

      January 26, 2010 at 3:08 pm

      Paula ,
      Your statement that ” Uganda has a history of not wanting to solve its problems” is totally false.
      May be you should read why George Bush and Bill Clinton visited Uganda.
      And Good Luck with you not letting the Anti-Gay Bill pass. We shall see in the next few months.
      You will soon learn that whether this bill passes or not…., It will not affect the fact that the handful of gays in Uganda are rejected by society. And their plight will only become worse by your anti-Uganda propaganda.
      If you think you can bring your American war mentality on social issues, well, good luck
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      Sei

      January 26, 2010 at 3:14 pm

      Jeremy,

      If you truly believed that, then you should take every single copy of Richard Cohen’s and Rick Warren’s books and bury them in the midden. They are the ones who exported your little issue, not us.

      Of course, go ahead and pass this law, and then enjoy having no foreign aid money coming from the US and Europe. Then watch as your nation is foreclosed on.
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      Melanie Nathan

      January 25, 2010 at 9:32 pm

      Checked the stats and map definately not Uganda …. do you have a UG email – who do you work for to prove you are in UG Jeremy?
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      Melanie Nathan

      January 25, 2010 at 9:33 pm

      What language do you speak Jeremy?
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    Melanie Nathan

    January 24, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    yes absolutley Paula lets do a follow up this week with a call for direct boycotts and also to provide information of US importers to target them with education campaigh re Ugandan hate for LGBT./ I really wint to promote the idea of the Rallies on Feb 17th Counter Rallies….

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    Jeremy Ochan .., Uganda

    January 24, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    Sei — African Culture was not introduced by “European imperialism” or “Christianity” It is as old as our first ancestors that date back to the origin of mankind
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      Sei

      January 24, 2010 at 10:44 pm

      Jeremy,

      The African Culture that you are so absolutely certain must be enacted into law is based on Western imports. The idea of sodomy is Biblical- that is Christian. That is an import into Africa from the Middle East via European conquest. I know my history pretty well.

      Of course, I have to say that your nation seems more than willing to take a ton of money from the West, but do not want us to interfere with laws you have decided to implement which are designed to oppress Ugandans. Well, most Western nations are going to pull that money should this law go through.

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    Jeremy Ochan .., Uganda

    January 24, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Before you start your racist attacks on Africa… Just ask yourself why Gays are not allowed in the US military, You should probably spend more time on things you understand rather than demonizing our culture you will never understand.
    We cannot accept Liberal Sodomites who are trying to globalize this vice.
    We can’t accept sodomy in the 21st century
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      Sei

      January 24, 2010 at 10:13 pm

      You might want to ask yourself why you’re so enamored of keeping to a mind set and world view of European Imperialism, or is that not something that you wanted to get away from?
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      Melanie Nathan

      January 24, 2010 at 11:09 pm

      First of all your hate is intolerable on this site,. You are fuelled by ignorance. People who are gay were given to be gay by G-d. It is not a choice – education lesson number one!!!! If you talk like that then you may as well invite Big dada back – because that is the culture you are reflecting. We are going to Boycott your hate. Democracy separates Church and culture from Civil laws of a State. If you cannot adhere to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which prescribes how people should behave in theis fabulouis universe, then Give us your gays we will take them and dig yourself a shithole to live in isolated from the rest of the world. By the way friend i was born in Africa. I too am an African and I wrote this article. We are not globilizing any vice. The only vice is hate and murder and you have already done just that.
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      tophtheearthbender

      January 25, 2010 at 1:57 am

      “Before you start your racist attacks on Africa”

      I know you’re not pulling the ‘race’ card, when the majority of Ugandan’s actually support literally destroying the lives of people who do not hurt them one bit (homosexuals/transexuals). As an African American I am so ashamed of a lot of the people in my Homelands. It’s okay, because homophobes will get theirs real soon.

      “Just ask yourself why Gays are not allowed in the US military”

      Homophobia. Not any credible reason.

      “You should probably spend more time on things you understand”

      No homophobe understands homosexuality, so maybe you and your homophobic savages (of any race, religion, or gender) should get more educated yourselves eh?

      “demonizing our culture you will never understand.”

      I understand your culture completely. A lot of Africans have the same issue that most African americans have: You have a slave mentality. That is why Indigenous Africans don’t really have control of Africa as a whole today. You’re so busy killing and raping each other for control of a continent and natural goods that you loss control of ages ago. Most Africans know this, and so it becomes tempting to assert control over something or somebody. What better group to harass and bully then homosexuals? What better way to gain some fraction of power then targeting a small and unpopular group? Homophobic african americans do the same thing in America. It makes me sick.

      “We cannot accept Liberal Sodomites”

      The simple fact that you used the word ‘liberal’ shows that your rhetoric is nothing more then redundant conservative extremism. And I’m willing to bet that 96% of heterosexuals are committing sodomy in Uganda, since sodomy consist of masturbation, oral sex, and digital sex (using the hands). Plus straight couples have anal sex quite a lot. So why are gays being targeted for “sodomy”, and not heterosexuals (sodomy doesn’t actually exist, since it’s premise is based on a grossly misinterpreted biblical story)? I wish I had enough money where I could offer all African LGBT’s a chance to relocate somewhere where they are safer and more free.
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      Melanie Nathan

      January 25, 2010 at 2:22 am

      Hey tophthe.. He is not who he says he is. He is an American yby the name of Cohen who wrote a book about some bs topic – how he can ungay people. He would not have used the word Liberal if he was truly Ugandan. He also would not have used the political thing about Massac election. Its just not in their press over ether.
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      tophtheearthbender

      January 25, 2010 at 2:26 am

      Richard cohen?
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      Melanie Nathan

      January 25, 2010 at 2:58 am

      Richard Cohen claims he has helped thousands of people come out of … homosexuality.

      His work has drawn the ire of the LGBT community, and has also been used in Uganda to help justify an anti-homosexual movement that culminated in a legislative effort known as the “Kill The Gays Bill.”

      Cohen appeared on The Rachel Maddow Show on a few weeks ago to present his side of the story. He distanced himself from the Ugandan legislation, but continued to advocate his position that homosexuals can change their preferences.

      “I realize I was taking the risk of helping promote you and the way that you think about these things by putting you on the air,” Maddow said. “But I do think that you’ve actually got blood on your hands.”

      Later she added, “Just in case this gets heard in Uganda … Richard Cohen is not licensed by any American or any other licensing body whatsoever.”

      During the segment, Maddow read passages from Cohen’s book, Coming Out Straight, including one based on discredited research:

      Homosexuals are at least 12 times more likely to molest children than heterosexuals; homosexual teachers are at least 7 times more likely to molest a pupil; homosexual teachers are estimated to have committed at least 25 percent of pupil molestation; 40 percent of molestation assaults were made by those who engage in homosexuality.
      Cohen acknowledged that he plans on withdrawing the quote from future printings so that it cannot be used against homosexuals in the propaganda war in Uganda. However, he struggled to remember that his book still includes race as a possible factor in homosexuality check out rachel maddow show on you tube with him.