Comments on: San Francisco Chronicle, Thinks it “outs” Judge Vaughn Walker:Prop 8 Judge

By: Bridgette P. LaVictoire

Bridgette P. LaVictoire — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 02:44:19 +0000

When an animal can sign a marriage contract and read it aloud, then you will have your answer.

By: J. Bavet

J. Bavet — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 02:37:14 +0000

America has become a crazy liberal anything goes country. I can’t wait for PETA to start screaming that marriage be allowed between humans and dogs, cats, horses, and of course, pigs! When will this madness ever stop??

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Senator Schumer Nominates Openly Gay Man To Federal Bench - Lez Get Real — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:36:01 +0000

[...] Judge Walker’s sexuality was not widely known before recently, though it was not a secret, as indicated by LGR’s own Melanie Nathan. While judges are appointed for life, many serve somewhere between thirty and forty years before [...]

By: NOM: Gay Federal Prop 8 Judge Equals Automatic Bias | The New Civil Rights Movement

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:49:17 +0000

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By: Tracy Coyle

Tracy Coyle — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:26:49 +0000

Starting with DOMA. I think it is unConstitutional and think it should be ruled as such. But marriage, for anyone is not an inherent right. The sacrament is bestowed by a religion/church and they have the right to do so according to their dogma. The legal contract is subject to gov regulations – such as age appropriateness (no 6 and 50 yr olds getting married) – but we do have laws regarding discrimination and as CASC ruled, separate but equal is not. Further, too many equate an interest of society with an interest of the State (socons and libs both make this mistake). Let churches bestow marriage, let gov grant civil unions across the board; take marriage out of the law books.

As to Prop 8. I agreed with the CASC in invalidating the separate but equal statutes. I also agreed with them upholding Prop 8. It is a fundamental construction of our form of government that if enough American’s want to re-institute slavery, they can. Get 66% of the people in 66% of the states to agree to restrict the rights of a minority and it is a legal outcome. I think it is a mistake to believe that SCOTUS will take up the Prop 8 result regardless of the outcome.

As for same sex couples and immigration. The law is what the law is, arguing it should be different is our right and tradition – acting contrary to it and expecting a good outcome begs sanctions. The American is not exiled, the American chooses to leave – it is certainly not a welcome or preferred choice. My brother married a foreign national, it took almost 6 months to get permission – GET PERMISSION – to bring her home. He and she did not have the right to return to the States together. I am the first born of legal immigrants. My parents jumped through a lot of hoops to get and STAY here. As a family we support legal immigration and oppose any form of amnesty for those that came here illegally.

For me, a right is an act I can express when I have the ability, the knowledge and the resources to do so. What it is not is a claim on others. Rights can be expressed on an island when you are all alone. If the action requires the presence of another, it is not a right.

By: Melanie Nathan

Melanie Nathan — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:40:33 +0000

Tracy thanks for this interesting discussion. I noticed you said that Gov interference is important when rights are infringed upon. That said how do you feel about DOMA and now that we are saddled with it how do you feel about its repeal, Do you believe gay marriage is an inherent righht under the constitution? You have alluded to it but how do you see Prop 8 when the people make the law that robs others of theor rights. When you say you do not agree with one thing liberal – what is your plan for married same sex partners who cannot sponsor foriegn spouses to stay in the USA . SHould they break up and leave or should the american be exiled from the USA,

By: Tracy Coyle

Tracy Coyle — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:18:12 +0000

There are two parts to the Conservative movement: there is the social conservatives which are classical conservatives WHICH is equal to the liberal movement today – both of are the same coin: gov interference and control over individual liberties. Then there is the classical liberal, “C”onservative side that believes in individual liberties and rights. We are not a majority of the movement but we are growing and gaining influence. I spend a great deal of time reminding my fellow conservatives that individual rights and limited gov are not principles to be tossed away when the pursuit of happiness of some members is offensive to others.

You (generic) may think that gov has a place in controlling and providing for the individual needs – I find the idea that a Cheney OR an Obama having some say over how I live my life to be the worst outcome possible.

There are political issues – but our individual liberties and rights must be protected first and foremost. I have no agreement with the liberal left on virtually any issue. But MY rights are inherent and not subject to gov control except where they infringe on others. On this point, gays NOT conservative makes no sense to me. Obama is not a friend of the gay community – hell, the gay community is often not a friend of the gay community. I’ll continue to work in the “C”onservative movement because it’s foundation is one all gays can and should support.

I’m around….

By: Melanie Nathan

Melanie Nathan — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:59:38 +0000

Tracy your post means a great deal to me- it makes me believe that thoughful and intelligent is not an oxymoron for Conservatives. Unfortunately for the gay community we have endured such a bashing that goes so deep to the core of who we are – and it is extremely painful to go through. I would love to get your take on the stories of binational gay and lesbian spouses – my column has a series of stories including my own ” A bInational Xmas Wish for Pres, Obama. thanks for the comment, melanie

By: Tracy Coyle

Tracy Coyle — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:16:29 +0000

I am a conservative and I have already called someone else on the ‘insinuation’ that the Judge can’t be fair. Do we need eunics for judges? Such prejudice is deeply rooted and must be noted each time it appears.

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By: Melanie Nathan

Melanie Nathan — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:49:14 +0000

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