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Nick Cassavetes Is An Idiot Linking Homosexuality and Incest

Incest….out there, there are hundreds of anti-gay activists who love to compare homosexuality to incest. They do so constantly and with zeal because, as far as they are concerned, both are the equivalent of each other. There are those, though, that make this comparison who are just idiots. In this case, cirector Nick Cassavetes is one such idiot.

Cassavetes recently directed the movie “Yellow” which revolves around Mary and her brother. Apparently the sibling are engaged in a sexual love afair.

Cassavetes told The Wrap’s Sharon Waxman that:

“I have no experience with incest. We started thinking about that. We had heard a few stories where brothers and sisters were completely, absolutely in love with one another. You know what? This whole movie is about judgment, and lack of it, and doing what you want.

Who gives a shit if people judge you? I’m not saying this is an absolute but in a way, if you’re not having kids – who gives a damn? Love who you want. Isn’t that what we say? Gay marriage – love who you want? If it’s your brother or sister it’s super-weird, but if you look at it, you’re not hurting anybody except every single person who freaks out because you’re in love with one another.”

Let us ignore the most disturbing form that incest takes, namely child sexual abuse, and, instead, focus on incest in adults. Most, if not all, colleges and universities have laws prohibiting professors and students from having sexual and non-sexual affairs. It is also considered problematic for bosses and employees or superior officers and junior officers in the military to have such relationships. The reason is simple, of course.

Someone who has power over another, no matter how seemingly benign, has a greater influence on the person who that someone has power over. A mother has power over her daughter no matter how much they may seem like friends. A brother is looked up to by his younger brother. That power can be easily abused, and in an incestuous relationship, it is abused.

This dynamic exists no matter what someone wants to say. Despite what Cassavetes says, incest is very abusive even when it is at its most benign. There are very few cases where you can say that it isn’t abusive, such as the case of the German brother/sister couple who tried to get their incestuous relationship recognized by the state. In this case, Patrick Stübing and Susan Karolewski were separated at a very young age, specifically Patrick was taken from his family at age three. He did not see his mother or meet his siblings until two decades had passed. The biggest problem for them is the fact that they have four children, and those children have some major issues.

The children of Patrick Stübing and Susan Karolewski exhibit signs of genetic defects which will affect their lives. They will be hurt by the fact that their parents are brother and sister. This brings me back to one of the biggest reasons against incest…the Pharaohic family trees.

By now, just about everyone knows about Tutankhamun, but what people do not realize is that his mother and father were brother and sister, and that he married his own half-sister Ankhesenamun. The two tried to have children, but both ended up stillborn due to the defects of having very little genetic difference between their parents.

There is, though, one example of consanguinity that shows off the ultimate horrors of what constant return to the same gene poll would result in:

That is Charles II of Spain. He was born mentally and physically disabled and disfigured. He may have had mandibular prognathism as he could not chew his food. His tongue was so big that he could barely talk and often drooled. HE may have also suffered from acromegaly, combined pituitary hormone deficiency or distal renal tubular acidosis- or all of them. He did not even manage to learn to walk until age 8.

Charles II’s parents were uncle and niece. In the five generations that separate Charles from Joanna and Philip of Castile, only three were not directly related to Joanna or Philip:

When an autopsy of Charles II was conducted, it was discovered that his internal organs were deformed and mashed together. So, beyond the fact that incest creates a problem with the power dynamic inside a relationship and is never fully consensual, there is the very real and very pressing reality that deformities skyrocket among those who have children via incest.

Cassavetes is an idiot and a fool to think that no one besides those who are offended by incest are hurt. Incest is taboo for a large number of reasons, and these are just the two most important of them.  Incest is not like homosexuality.  Homosexuality does not involve an abuse of power between people as its starting point, and does not produce horribly mangled children.

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2 Responses to Nick Cassavetes Is An Idiot Linking Homosexuality and Incest

  1. Keith

    September 13, 2012 at 8:07 am

    He shouldn’t have mentioned the same-gender freedom to marry at all and just said something like, “Don’t we accept that consenting adults should be free to have sex with and love consenting adults?” But it isn’t like he’s a rights blogger, so I think he needs to be cut a little slack.

    By the way, most children born to close relatives are healthy. And there ARE same-gender consanguinamorous relationships, too.

  2. Talon

    September 11, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Don’t disagree about incest or the many problems associated with it, but your comment ignores that even in the quote you shared above he also recognized that it is a problem if producing children.