All this does is save lobsters … making lobster families more important than ours.

What?

All this does is save lobsters … making the families more important than ours.

Ok, so it was poor phrasing. I do know that the majority in the nation, and in most states, do not accept same-sex marriage.

Back to your original point, about the churches. A lot of the funding for the fearmongering comes from the churches. Mark Mutty who orchestrated the Yes on 1 campaign even took a leave of absence from the Roman Catholic Church in order to run the campaign. The churches often flaunt the law by preaching for political causes from the pulpit and supporting them financially. They get away with it, too, because people are afraid to stand up to them. Until a church has been forced to pay taxes for violating their tax status, nothing will change. So, yes, the churches are neck deep in this whole thing.

I know that it is only part of the problem. While I work on this one, I am also working on trying to do changes to our message, and to combat ignorance. It is not easy to do when you have a religious organization pumping out their propaganda relentlessly and without fail.

Many of the Founding Fathers would have been against the dissolution of slavery. However, they knew that society changed, and they felt that it was best to let the future generations determine that direction. I disagree with many of the things that those men believed in, but I do know that they knew that the nation would change once they were gone.

That is the one blessing of the system we were given.

Previously, you admitted that I knew more about this subject than you did. It seems rather impossible for me not to know that the majority are against this.

“Ah, you have studied, and in studying you have learned that man is mortal.”- Princess Bride.

When you write “can you accept…” you are making the argument that the majority is right. You may not feel that you are, especially given your next statement, but you are saying that I should accept that the majority do not accept marriage equality. Perhaps your wording could have been different. If that is the case, then we have all made the mistake of using the wrong wording before.

You have, since then, tried to rewrite the narrative. This too could be that you did not write what you thought you wrote, or I am reading it differently than you wanted it to be interpreted.

Mike, you came in and tried to say that I should accept that the majority opposes same-sex marriage. I countered with how it is not right for the majority to repress the minority and take away their rights. You’ve decided to backtrack and say that you just wanted to know if I believed that the majority oposed marriage equality. I am not dumb, sir. I can read the polls. I can also read the analysis of those polls. I am working on an MA in History and Mythology.

Oh, and Mike, given some of the comments I’ve deleted in these forums, I have long ago stopped thinking that someone would not come here and say ‘the majority opposes this now shut up’.

Now, I hate to tell you this, but we have reached an impass. You may not like that. I do not intend to accept second class citizenship in the country of my birth. And I do not care if the majority says that this is wrong. I am not going to change, and I am more aware than you are, since you have already stated your ignorance regarding this issue, of what kind of mountain I am climbing.

The people in 1840 in Virginia believed that it was their inalienable right to own other people. The people in 1840 throughout the country would have said that it was absolutely alright for a husband to beat, rape, and even kill his wife. The people in 1840 believed that Catholics were out to conquer the world, and would do what ever they could to stop them.

Just because the majority at the time believes it is right does not make it right.

Your argument does not work. Simply saying ‘the majority’ does not make it right. In Russia, the majority use to believe it was alright to round up and execute Jews. In Ireland, the majority Anglicans believed it was alright to starve Catholics to death by ensuring that they had little or no way to grow enough food. Of course, they could easily be granted equality if they just converted.

So, no, I cannot accept that the majority of people don’t want marriage equality. If you do not like the fact that I plan on continuing to fight on until this nation fulfills its promise that President Thomas Jefferson stated in the Declaration- that all men (that is all humanity) are created equal, then I am sorry, but we have reached an impass.

Your last comment was a direct personal attack in an attempt to negate my point. I have removed it since I have that right. Crying about ‘Freedom of Speech’ will get you a very nice explanation of how you are not entitled to any free speech on this forum since it is privately owned and that the First Amendment only applies to the government. If you would like, you are more then welcome to put together another post attacking me for using emphasis in my posts instead of actually trying to counter my point. I am, of course, more than capable of deleting your post again, and then, if you so wish, drop you into the banned category.

I am being nice and giving you a warning. My patience is not without its limits.

What the Catholic Church did is not only unethical, it is illegal. Churches are not allowed to actively campaign for or raise funds for political campaigns. They are suppose to lose their tax status as exempt organizations. Unfortunately, people who should be doing that are too scared to actually do it.

It is also a matter of civil rights. Craig, if we had put civil rights in the 1950’s and 1960’s to a vote, African-Americans would still be segregated. Had we, two centuries and more ago voted on whether or not Catholics should have rights, they would have been denied it. Until recently, that is, the last sixty years, Catholics would have been denied rights if it were put to a vote.

So, please, I have every right to be angry.

You, on the other hand, have no right to tell me not to be.

The Catholic Church and the Mormon Church provided 91% of the funding to get the measure on the ballot in the first place. Now YOU tell ME why we shouldn’t blame them.

These you may eat of all that are in the waters: whatever has fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, that you may eat.

All that don’t have fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of all the living creatures that are in the waters, they are an abomination to you,

and you detest them. You shall not eat of their flesh, and you shall detest their carcasses…. Leviticus 11: 9-11

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